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US Army using lessons from Ukraine war to aid own training
AP ^ | April 16, 2022 | LOLITA C. BALDOR

Posted on 04/16/2022 10:56:11 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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My take? Tanks are obsolete. Marines are already getting rid of them. We've learned from Somalia that helicopters are vulnerable as well. Really we can use jeeps/humvees to transport troops to battle then they will dismount and fight as infantry.
1 posted on 04/16/2022 10:56:11 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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The US Army had 20 years of fighting in Afghanistan ending up in being chased out by the Taliban and they didn't learn any lessons from that?
They are not going to “learn lessons” from someone else’s war?
Gimme a bloody break.
2 posted on 04/16/2022 11:01:09 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To make it realistic they make sure it is “one shot, one general”, just like in the Ukraine. Lol


3 posted on 04/16/2022 11:02:17 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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I agree that tanks are so...yesterday. I would not get rid of helicopters.


4 posted on 04/16/2022 11:06:27 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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When are we getting Ironman suits for soldiers?


5 posted on 04/16/2022 11:08:21 AM PDT by Bayard
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6 posted on 04/16/2022 11:08:34 AM PDT by sauropod (So may we start? It's time to start. High time to start.)
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I hope they are learning to lose the woke crap.


7 posted on 04/16/2022 11:08:43 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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A hot area of R&D would be anti missile missiles - protection against missile attacks of all sizes and speeds.


8 posted on 04/16/2022 11:09:28 AM PDT by libh8er
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I find it humorous that we are supposedly learning a lesson about war from a rag tag group of “combatants” that are using our equipment to fight a competitor for the local oil and gas reserves along with the steel factories that they really want, thus won’t destroy, so we can learn to protect ourselves from a threat that will not be walking on US soil until it cools off.

wy69


9 posted on 04/16/2022 11:11:07 AM PDT by whitney69
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I hope they are learning to lose the woke crap.

Good question.

10 posted on 04/16/2022 11:14:38 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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Not only is armor obsolete against a technologically sophisticated opponent, but stealthy drones and stealthy missiles have made surface naval combatants obsolete as well. Yet many soldiers and sailors will die before today’s “battleship admirals” and “hidebound generals” come to understand the new realities.


11 posted on 04/16/2022 11:15:13 AM PDT by allendale
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The US Army had 20 years of fighting in Afghanistan ending up in being chased out by the Taliban and they didn't learn any lessons from that?

The biggest lesson learned is that America will probably also need its own brand of "de-nazification" of DC deep-state, woke, neocon, elites who will sacrifice you and everyone else for their insane political schemes.

12 posted on 04/16/2022 11:16:03 AM PDT by PGR88
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I agree that tanks are so...yesterday. I would not get rid of helicopters.

Not sure how effective flares are against stingers.

You can use helicopters to transport troops and evacuate the wounded behind the front lines but that's about it.

13 posted on 04/16/2022 11:16:15 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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Not only is armor obsolete against a technologically sophisticated opponent, but stealthy drones and stealthy missiles have made surface naval combatants obsolete as well. Yet many soldiers and sailors will die before today’s “battleship admirals” and “hidebound generals” come to understand the new realities.

You would need many drones to protect each ship. For a destroyer, you would have 1,000 drones on patrol to protect against kamikaze drones and missiles.

14 posted on 04/16/2022 11:17:59 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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I’m confused. They are training the soldiers to listen to enemy propaganda and ignore it while watching the enemy use standoff weapons to destroy a city?

I guess the D.o D. forgot about Tokyo Rose and now has to develop a new training strategy to overcome battlefield propaganda.


15 posted on 04/16/2022 11:18:05 AM PDT by shotgun
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Training on dying their hair pink?


16 posted on 04/16/2022 11:18:58 AM PDT by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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“I would not get rid of helicopters.”

For quick transportation they are useful, but close air support is the challenge in any future war. It’s essential to how the US Army fights, but if every infantry platoon has AA missiles then copters and low flying aircraft are very vulnerable.


17 posted on 04/16/2022 11:23:19 AM PDT by Renfrew
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Yep, just bring back WW2 era deuce and a halfs to move the infantry forward then let them fight with small arms. What we are seeing in the performance or lack of in the Rus army is what happens when soldiers are not trained to think for themselves and to take the initiative, but to wait for orders; are not confident in their leaders; do not maintain their equipment; and there is a complete absence of a core of professional NCOs. Also that tanks and infantry fight as a team, without infantry support tanks are especially vulnerable in towns and wooded areas. However, I do not think the day of the tank is over.

The Rus army wasn’t trained to fight, but merely to go through the steps to perform good enough in a pre-planned exercise to look like they were competent and combat ready.

I recommend reading former USAEUR commander LTG (ret) Mark Hertling’s article comparing the Russian and Ukrainian armies. One thing I got from it, is that the old Soviet army was probably as bad as the current Russian army and that it may have not been the well trained force as we gave them credit to be back during my two tours in Germany with the 3d Armored Division, “Spearhead”.

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18 posted on 04/16/2022 11:26:45 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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but if every infantry platoon has AA missiles then copters and low flying aircraft are very vulnerable.

Assume the battlefield is like Mogadishu.

19 posted on 04/16/2022 11:27:33 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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One of Pootey-Poot’s mistakes (among many) was to give the US (et Al) a ringside seat for a display of how combat effective (or not) his equipment is, as well as how effective the Ukrainians have been in defeating his hardware.


20 posted on 04/16/2022 11:27:43 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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