Posted on 03/23/2022 5:14:42 AM PDT by Red Badger
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Photo taken with a mobile phone shows pieces of a crashed passenger plane's wreckage found at the crash site in Tengxian County, south China's Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region, March 22, 2022.
A passenger plane with 132 people aboard crashed in south China's Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region on Monday afternoon, the regional emergency management department said. The China Eastern Airlines Boeing 737 aircraft, which departed from Kunming and was bound for Guangzhou, crashed into a mountainous area near the Molang village in Tengxian County in the city of Wuzhou at 2:38 p.m., causing a mountain fire, according to the department. The airline said the cause of the accident will be fully investigated.
New details emerged on Tuesday about the China Eastern Airlines Boeing 737-800 that was caught on camera crashing vertically into a mountain range earlier this week, which left no known survivors.
“The Boeing 737-800 was knifing through the air at more than 640 miles (966 kilometers) per hour, and at times may have exceeded 700 mph,” Bloomberg News reported. “Sound travels at 761 mph at sea level but slows with altitude as air temperature goes down and is about 663 mph at 35,000 feet.”
Flightradar24 released data from the flight that showed the aircraft was cruising at just over 29,000 feet when it then plunged more than 20,000 feet in less than a minute before later slamming into the mountains of southern China.
The Air Current noted that the fact that Flightradar24 was able to collect data from the flight as it rapidly plunged toward the ground means “the aircraft had electrical power and was able to broadcast tracking telemetry.”
The South China Morning Post, which is owned by the Chinese Alibaba Group, reported that the flight data “depicted a battle for control of China Eastern Airlines flight” as there appears to have been a temporary recovery in altitude followed by a second nosedive that took the plane straight into the ground.
“It was an exceedingly high-energy crash,” said Bob Mann, president of R.W. Mann & Co. consultancy. “It looks like it literally evaporated into a crater. Do the flight data recorder or cockpit voice recorder or quick access recorder — do any survive? I just don’t know the answer.”
The New York Times reported that investigators were still trying to locate the plane’s black boxes, which record flight data and voice recorders.
“The aircraft was severely damaged in this accident, and the investigation is very difficult,” Zhu Tao, the director of aviation safety at the Civil Aviation Administration of China, said. “With the information currently available, it is still impossible to make a clear judgment on the cause of the accident.”
The Times added:
Mr. Zhu confirmed a few details about the trajectory of the plane that had emerged in flight data shared by Flightradar24, a tracking platform, while also describing for the first time how air traffic controllers had tried to contact the plane when they noticed something amiss.
The plane been cruising at about 29,000 feet around 2:17 p.m. on Monday, he said, but a few minutes later, air traffic controllers had noticed that the plane had suddenly lost altitude. He said the controllers immediately called the plane crew, but did not receive a reply after several attempts. By 2:23 p.m., the plane’s radar signal disappeared, he said, and it had crashed.
“It really catches your eye when you see how rapidly the aircraft went from this horizontal flight,” Mike Daniel, a former Federal Aviation Administration accident investigator, said. “On any given investigation, you can’t rule out foul play at the very beginning,” he said. “It was so abrupt that everything needs to be looked at.”
Australian aviation expert Neil Hansford said that he does not believe that the plane crashed due to any kind of technical issue.
“Even with total loss of power, no aircraft plummets to the ground from 20,000 feet in two minutes with an event at 8,000 feet,” Hansford said. “I think aircraft technical failure can be ruled out and it will be an external event … I would get on a Boeing 737-800 in an instant with an Australian carrier, so my suggestion would be it won’t be Boeing or aircraft technical related.”
“It is very unlikely the pilot passed out as the non-flying pilot would have been able to very safely take over the flying and land the aircraft,” he continued. “Likely scenarios include pilot suicide, aircraft mid-air collision with military aircraft (they don’t have transponders like civil aircraft), [flight MU5735] was struck by a missile or an on-board explosion. My tipping is a human-induced event or bought down by rogue missile. Debris looks like MH117 over Ukraine, and the Chinese are providing too much information this time which is uncharacteristic.”
Look more like CGI to me.
ALL airplane surfaces generate lift. Even crashing planes. If you remove the tail surfaces and the wings, it still wouldn’t nosedive vertically. They are designed to generate lift even with the fuselage.
And if this “aircraft”has any parts of wings on the dive, it would have some horizontal component besides the vertical.
I am more inclined to agree with that point you made than not.
These aircraft are not designed to be outside the flight envelope in that attitude. If I heard an engineer say that the tail was ripped off in the gyrations the plane suffered, I wouldn’t blink an eye.
We all know a 707 did a roll once by a test pilot, and that a 727 was inverted in flight during a storm, but...those were different planes, different construction, and different times, IMO.
You might convince me to go inverted in a well built 727 flown by someone who knew what he was doing, but a 737 in any instance being inverted...ummm, no. Not me, baby.
We shall see.
That would be my guess. But it is only a guess.
29,000 feet above se level. They hit a mountain at 8000 feet......................
Losing the tail could be either cause or effect, but without the tail the center of gravity is way forward of the wings, and the horizontal stablizers in the tail are missing. Could easily lead to a nosedive.
Or the tail could have come off in the attempted recovery of level flight, from too much speed and stress.
Hmmm
Fang Fang was in the seat next to the female tennis player who accused the Central Committee member of sexual assault.
I’m hearing different opinions on whether this falling object had wings or not.
If it had wings, it will not go vertical, IMHO.
Uyghurs have layers.
They dropped 2000 feet in 16 seconds......................
indeed
Black box from ill-fated plane crash found
One of the black boxes from the ill-fated China Eastern’s Flight 5735 that crashed in the mountains on Monday has been found, an official said on Wednesday.
Investigators are still unclear whether it is the flying data or voice recorder of the Boeing 737-800 aircraft as it was severely damaged, Mao Yanfeng, director of the Civil Aviation Accident Investigation Center, told a press conference.
https://www.shine.cn/news/nation/2203233471/
Why not make the plane out of the black box?
To be fair, if one is going to speculate about missiles, gotta consider those taken up to the altitude of the airliner - a shoot-down.
Doubtful.
But very possibly a bomb set by Chinese agents, which will be blamed on Uyghurs so as to serve as a pretext while the world is occupied with the Ukraine invasion.
The Uygurs are many things and I’m sure not above terrorism (although I don’t know of any), but they won’t have the connections to pull this off.
“looks like part of the tail is missing.“
That’s a very likely cause of rapid descent!
The CDC says that this appears to be Covid-19 related and should be counted in local statistics as the deadly virus cannot be ruled out without knowledge of the vaccination status of those on board.
If it was a missile, there should be one or more debris fields, outside of the crash site, that would show the break-up on the way down. RIP to all onboard.
Look at it carefully again. It appears the tail is gone.................
The black box is located in the tail, and the box was recovered at the crash site. If the tail had separated at altitude, it would be located in an area miles from the main fuselage...
My unprofessional opinion would be an on-board bomb. Watch them blame it on Taiwan and use it as a pretext for invasion.... Just my $.02
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