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Elon Musk: We Could’ve Made A 600-Mile Tesla Model S 12 Months Ago...It would be some 100 miles more than in the case of the Lucid Air.
https://insideevs.com ^ | Mar 02, 2022 at 3:11pm ET | By: Mark Kane

Posted on 03/02/2022 12:56:32 PM PST by Red Badger

Tesla CEO Elon Musk responded today to a tweet from one of his prominent supporters - Whole Mars Catalog - related to the range of electric cars.

Whole Mars Catalog wrote that Lucid delivered the first series-produced electric car with a range of roughly 500 miles (EPA range), but Tesla "will be the first to mass-produce one."

The longest-range version of the Lucid Air has an EPA Combined range of 520 miles (837 km). The longest range Tesla Model S has an EPA Combined range of 405 miles (652 km).

Well, Elon Musk responded that a 600-mile (965 km) Tesla Model S could've been made 12 months ago (let's assume February 2021), but "that would’ve made the product worse."

Elon Musk pointed out that it would essentially require a higher battery capacity, which would mean a bigger, heavier, and more expensive battery pack. This battery would be "unneeded" on a daily basis, as even the current 400+ mile range is more than enough. Handling and efficiency would be substantially affected too with a bigger battery.

It's not the first time when Elon Musk cooled down expectations, which exceeds rationality and we fully agree with that.

Electric cars are already quite heavy (usually heavier than internal combustion engine counterparts) and expensive, so the right way to do this is to address those issues first, instead of increasing the range to such high values. Especially since the fast-charging networks are growing nicely.

Tesla appears to be on the right path in terms of range balance and weight-reduction approaches through the introduction of a structural battery pack (the weight of the remaining structure of the car would be lowered).

This is one of the most important directions for the mainstream electric car market, in terms of costs, performance, and also the environment.

After crossing 400 miles (300 miles in many cases), the race to extend the range is not the priority. It might be in some niche segments, including luxury cars like the Lucid Air, but even in the case of Lucid, many customers preferred the Performance version of the car (with about 50 miles less EPA range) instead of the Range version of the car.

Some range race probably is ahead of us in the case of vehicles that have to tow - they really need bigger batteries to work in challenging conditions.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Outdoors; Society; Travel
KEYWORDS: electriccars; elon; ev; lucidair; lucidairs; tesla
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To: TexasGator
You can charge an Ev while you are sleeping.

They can be charged by some people but not everyone has a garage to charge in. I can’t charge at work. I have to go to a local mall or something to charge. Not convenient

41 posted on 03/02/2022 1:41:28 PM PST by newzjunkey (“We Did It Joe!” - The Taliban)
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To: norwaypinesavage

“So, assuming rational ‘range anxiety’, how long does one sit and wait for a full charge, after 500 miles?”

Rationally, most people don’t drive 500 miles without stopping.


42 posted on 03/02/2022 1:42:48 PM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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To: TexasGator

But you missing your garage fire.


43 posted on 03/02/2022 1:45:10 PM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: minnesota_bound

44 posted on 03/02/2022 1:45:26 PM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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To: George from New England

Why not swap the whole battery like the blue rhino propane tanks? You don’t own it your just paying for what’s in it.. Instead of a gas station it’s a battery exchange station....that too however would come with a whole host of complications even if it was feasible.


45 posted on 03/02/2022 1:48:17 PM PST by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave)
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To: WKUHilltopper

And how much will that charge cost? You don’t really think utility companies will play nice. And the government will surely tax it “at a special rate”...just like gasoline.


46 posted on 03/02/2022 1:48:32 PM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: allendale

A good marathon runner puts out about a tenth of a KW continuously during the run. If you could put out that power pedaling, it would take you the same time as running 292 marathons (1,300 hours) back to back to fully charge the battery.


47 posted on 03/02/2022 1:49:48 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (Capitalism is what happens when you leave people alone.)
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To: BiglyCommentary; V_TWIN; Empire_of_Liberty; Obadiah

Just joking but would not be surprised if many EV owners would buy such a ridiculous product.


48 posted on 03/02/2022 1:52:29 PM PST by allendale
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To: V_TWIN

I’m talking about the ‘out of gas’ roadside condition.

Make a hot swap battery part.

The bring you a fully charged, 5% module. So you can limp to charging station.


49 posted on 03/02/2022 1:53:06 PM PST by George from New England
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To: CodeToad

https://www.osc.state.ny.us/files/local-government/publications/pdf/highwayspending.pdf


50 posted on 03/02/2022 2:00:31 PM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: George from New England

I got ya. But why not just swap the whole primary battery? If that could be done in even 20 minutes and you could get down the road for another 300+ miles wouldn’t that work?

Then all you’d have to worry about would be the battery spontaneously combusting in your garage in the middle of the night while your sleeping...burning your house and you in it to the ground.

Lol!


51 posted on 03/02/2022 2:00:59 PM PST by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave)
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To: allendale

So I should pitch that on Shark Tank? You can do sales...


52 posted on 03/02/2022 2:01:09 PM PST by BiglyCommentary
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To: allendale

For the high performance crowd we can offer muscled out Guinea pigs on big wheels.


53 posted on 03/02/2022 2:03:57 PM PST by BiglyCommentary
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To: Sacajaweau

54 posted on 03/02/2022 2:04:08 PM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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To: CodeToad

Okay. You told me. (I Knew.)

Again.. I f someone isn’t a tax paying property owner then they should not be permitted to use the roads. Or sidewalks.


55 posted on 03/02/2022 2:05:27 PM PST by Born in 1950 (Courts are trains and needles are ovens. )
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To: V_TWIN

Why not have standardized batteries that you just swap out like you do with bbq grill propane tanks?


56 posted on 03/02/2022 2:06:29 PM PST by BiglyCommentary
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To: Red Badger
EVs and its sibling climate change hysteria are part and parcel of The Great Reset.

Toss in covid tyranny, stakeholder capitalism, government/industry/big tech connivance, social media censorship, CRT, wokeness, social justice, environmental justice, mix them all together and the stage is set for "capitalism with Chinese characteristics."

We'll end up with a two-tiered economy featuring profitable state supported monopolies and the top and the rest of us in socialism hell below.

From Imprimus: What is the Great Reset?

57 posted on 03/02/2022 2:08:46 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Red Badger

I would love to see a Trump/Musk ticket in 2024.


58 posted on 03/02/2022 2:09:26 PM PST by McCarthysGhost (q)
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To: V_TWIN

5% might be 50 lbs. Whole battery like 1/2 ton.


59 posted on 03/02/2022 2:09:38 PM PST by George from New England
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To: TexasGator

What if I want to drive for 12 hours straight, like I can with an ICE car, making brief gas, snack and potty breaks? I don’t want to have to stop for an hour or two every 4 or 5 hours. 15 minutes is enough with ICE.


60 posted on 03/02/2022 2:10:14 PM PST by CarmichaelPatriot (Recovering Kalifornian... Loving Alabama!)
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