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US Airmen Facing Tax Devastation in Germany Will Get Help from Air Force's Enlisted Leader
Military.com ^ | 1 Dec 2022 | Jennifer H Svan and John Vandiver

Posted on 12/02/2021 5:04:13 AM PST by USAF1985

The U.S. Air Force's top enlisted leader, after getting bombarded with pleas for help from military community members fighting the German government's attempts to tax their pay, said Wednesday she will advocate for the affected airmen and their families.

For more than a year, the U.S. military in Europe and the American embassy in Berlin have made no tangible progress on resolving a dispute that has forced some to pay six-figure amounts in German income taxes and penalties, even after they've had their military income taxed by the United States. At issue is a disagreement over how to interpret the Status of Forces Agreement, which is designed to put military pay off limits to foreign tax collectors. "It was pretty concerning to hear some of the stories," said Chief Master Sgt. of the Air Force JoAnne S. Bass during a stop at Ramstein Air Base, part of her first official visit to Germany since assuming her role in August 2020. More at Link

It's a diplomatic issue, Bass said, but "any hardship to our airmen is disappointing to all of us, so we really have to get to the root of the matter and do our best to help influence the Department of State and the German government to come to a resolution to help families."

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: germany; military; taxes
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Well, I guess the Germans just can’t help themselves. If it’s a "diplomatic" issue, then I don’t think the airmen can expect relief. The Brandon administration will just ignore it and let the Germans have their way.
1 posted on 12/02/2021 5:04:13 AM PST by USAF1985
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To: USAF1985

I think Trump would have left NATO had the coup not occurred. We’re finally safe from the Warsaw Pact threat after 30 years. Bring them home now.


2 posted on 12/02/2021 5:10:16 AM PST by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge an )
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To: USAF1985

How many airmen make enough to pay 6 figures in taxes?


3 posted on 12/02/2021 5:23:51 AM PST by jeffc (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: USAF1985

Is the German tax withheld from their pay or are they getting a bill in the mailbox?
Bill in the mailbox gets wadded up and tossed in the trash.


4 posted on 12/02/2021 5:27:18 AM PST by Ouderkirk (The democRATS are not looking to govern, they intend to RULE.)
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To: hardspunned

“I think Trump would have left NATO had the coup not occurred. We’re finally safe from the Warsaw Pact threat after 30 years. Bring them home now.”

The problem with leverage gained through a threat is if you perform whatever action the threat was about, you lose the leverage. The threat to leave NATO was leverage in a wide range of issues. Some of which were military, but the majority of which were for getting political support, forcing better trade deals, etc. It’s too effective to actually pull the lever on leaving.

The American public, however, is finished with NATO, but we’re not the ones who negotiate for votes on this or that, and how about buying more of our (fill-in-the-blank.)


5 posted on 12/02/2021 5:29:56 AM PST by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud?)
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To: USAF1985

This should not be handled by an E-9. It should be handled by an O-10, preferably the Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR).

This is outrageous.


6 posted on 12/02/2021 5:29:59 AM PST by FtrPilot
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To: USAF1985

Because this isn’t about the military. It is about keeping the support service contract bonanza going. Eff the troops.

This shouldn’t be a dispute at all. In a world not run by the MIC, the troops would have started flying home the second the idiots in Berlin made that claim. Oh, and Germans in DC would have started getting letters giving them 48 hrs to get their affairs in order before they were put on a plane out of the country.


7 posted on 12/02/2021 5:32:06 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: jeffc
"How many airmen make enough to pay 6 figures in taxes?"

From article:

"Germany is the only country where U.S. forces face these financial risks, which also can involve finance offices imposing extra penalties for access to on-base "privileges" such as commissary shopping, cheaper gas, gym use and access to Defense Department schools for their children."

More info: German Tax Collectors Continue to Target US Airman After He Returns to America

"The relatively small fine represents an opening move. The Kusel-Landstuhl office, which is responsible for much of the area surrounding Ramstein Air Base, has imposed tax penalties as high as $300,000 after military pay and benefits like housing allowances, base discounts on gas, commissary privileges and access to free Defense Department schools get factored in."

Germany is going after people who have German spouses.
8 posted on 12/02/2021 5:42:58 AM PST by DEPcom (Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules)
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To: USAF1985

Politicians are the same all over the world. They want your money, all of it, no matter what.

You could take a bureaucrat from Russia and one from the USA and swap them into each others jobs and it would be a seamless transition.........................


9 posted on 12/02/2021 5:49:10 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: USAF1985

Poland has never gone to war with us.
Time to pack up our crap and move.
It isn’t like the AF doesn’t have standard work on how to close a base.


10 posted on 12/02/2021 5:51:02 AM PST by UNGN
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To: USAF1985

No foreign aid to ANY country.

No loans to ANY country.

No USA troops in ANY country.

(Let THEM fight it out and pay for it, especially Germany and France.)


11 posted on 12/02/2021 6:00:08 AM PST by Concentrate (ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. )
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To: FtrPilot

I think the SACEUR has a lot on his plate at the moment.


12 posted on 12/02/2021 6:02:39 AM PST by the_individual2014
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To: hardspunned
That's my initial reaction. They want to try to tax our personnel's income? Fine, our personnel will be earning their income back home. But don't worry, if something bad happens to you guys, we'll get there - eventually.

Brandon seems to have experience at pulling troops out suddenly, let's see him do it for a good reason.

13 posted on 12/02/2021 6:08:31 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Biden/Harris - illegitimate and everyone knows it.)
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To: USAF1985

Actually, one easy way to blunt the effect of this would be to exempt US servicemen stationed overseas from paying any US taxes. But I suspect the PTB don’t like the precedent that would set…


14 posted on 12/02/2021 6:12:13 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: FtrPilot

That’s the military’s way of saying they don’t care. Send an E-9 to listen like a mommy.


15 posted on 12/02/2021 6:17:17 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: USAF1985

Pull the troops out of Germany. Problem solved.


16 posted on 12/02/2021 6:17:42 AM PST by FLT-bird
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To: USAF1985

Get out of Germany; bring our troops home.


17 posted on 12/02/2021 6:18:09 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: FLT-bird

If the U.S. needs troops in Europe, base them in Poland. At least the Poles adhere to Christian values and are not reflexively anti-American. No doubt the young, single, straight men will appreciate the move eastward.


18 posted on 12/02/2021 6:24:59 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: UNGN

Except for notable examples of Poles in the American Revolutionary War (Thaddeus Kościuszko and Casimir Pulaski) and Poles in World War II (The Polish Armed Forces in the West fought under British command ).


19 posted on 12/02/2021 6:25:28 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team sco uts photo-op locations.)
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To: DesertRhino
That’s the military’s way of saying they don’t care. Send an E-9 to listen like a mommy.

It's not just an E-9. It's the Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force, the CSAF's Senior Enlisted Advisor.

I'm sure there are others involved.

20 posted on 12/02/2021 6:30:08 AM PST by Mr.Unique (My boss wants me to sign up for a 401K. No way I'm running that far! )
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