Innocent jogger (getting ready for college) and he dindo nuffins.
The video I've seen isn't,IMO,enough to allow a reasonable person to conclude that the shooters were justified or not justified.
Of course this case is no the focus of the Maoists at Buy large Mansion (BLM) and the military wing of Rat Party Headquarters (Antifa).
We'll see what happens soon.
The crux of this is?
Repeat burglar runs.
Gets chased down by owner.
Then burglar turns on the owner?
Owner shoots and kills burglar.
I’ve never quite understood if the police would do the same thing ..he was doing his job.
But if a civilian does it ..it’s something else?
So what if Arbery was trespassing?(Unless you were at the Capital on Jan 6th one usually gets a ticket for such a violation)
Was there any proof Arbery stole anything?
Were any stolen goods found on his property?
Why was the suspect approached at all?
Why didn't the retired police office immediately call 911?He should have know to do this
These three will get time and deservedly so
What’s with these idiots trying to grab a rifle from someone holding one? You know that’s an aggressive act. They’ll use it against you.
I am curious how there is footage of Arberry at the construction site walking around on multiple dates, but apparently no footage of him caught red handed actually stealing something. How can that be?
Did the burglaries stop after Arbery was shot?
There are TONS of info not listed here. Had this ‘jogger’ been in prison where he belonged for bringing a concealed firearm onto school grounds, fighting with cops sent to arrest him (he put 2 in the hospital) he’d still be alive today. Which is the reason his name was changed by his mommy in order to hide his criminal record...
>> ...but also requires that the defendants have been justified in pursuing and attempting to detain Mr. Arbery. <<
That’s not my interpretation of self defense, and they never actually made an arrest. Earlier they’d tried to get him to stop, so as to delay him until the police could arrive — because they correctly identified him as the man wanted by the police for questioning for entering the house at night more than once (almost anyone might stop and look at a house under construction during the day, but being caught on infra-red video in the dark is something else).
The question is not whether he ever stole anything, though. He may very well have not. And it’s not whether he deserved to be killed simply because of a legitimate suspicion of, at least, trespassing and possibly theft. Of course a killing would be justified for that, and that’s not why he was killed. If so, he’d have been killed earlier. He was killed because he chose to attack McMichael.
This is a man who was on probation. If I were on probation, I wouldn’t have entered the house even during the day. He’d been given 5 years for showing up at a basketball game with a pistol in his waistband. It’s not known whether he had hopes of stealing something from the site, but he’d never been seen by anyone jogging in the neighborhood, and video shows him walking, not jogging, up to the house the day of the shooting. Then he sprints out, not jogs, when he sees someone across the street with a phone observing him. The only time he jogs is toward the end when he tires from running.
What really matters, though, occurs at the end, and that too is on video. The video shows that when Arbery goes around the right side of the truck, he has an open path of escape ahead of him. Instead of taking it, though, he makes a sharp left turn and charges in front of the truck and attacks Travis McMichael, who — this is important — hasn’t blocked his way and has remained on the left side of the truck.
McMichael’s life was clearly at risk then, and despite the distortions in the media — and from politicians on both sides of the political spectrum — he should have been able to defend himself. However annoyed this on-probation criminal may have been about being pursued earlier when the neighborhood residents rightly identified him as the suspect the police wanted to interrogate, he didn’t have the right to make that sharp left turn and start a life-or-death struggle with McMichael. It’s his own fault he’s dead. It’s outrageous that these men who were rightly concerned about what was happened their neighborhood have been charged with murder.
I suspect that because the defendants chased him down and shot him that self defense will be ruled out.
The cases are incomparable. Aubrey was no innocent, and the others insisted on escalation, as they expected compliance, until he saw no other way out.
I know a fair bit about the case. Not an expert. There ARE some legal questions the jury will need to resolve. But the men who pursued and killed him are scum who give those of us who CCW bad names. And give us whites a bad reputation MOST of us do not deserve.
Hope they get long prison terms.
A major point not discussed.
It is not smart to play cop.
The fact that citizen’s arrest is legal under certain circumstances does not make it the smartest alternative.
This case is an outstanding example of how things can go wrong.
Even plainclothes cops will call for uniformed patrol cops when making an arrest. As a cop explained to me one very dark night, the uniform has an effect on people.
I basically went psycho on them screaming POLICE! and commands laced with obscenities while pointing my 92f in their face.
They instantly complied and I cuffed the larger of the 2 and kept my weapon trained on the others head til a squad arrived and confirmed the warrant.
My point is this: I was able to convince the bad guys that I was clearly in charge and if they twitched I would follow through. Communication and demeanor command respect. Thankfully they believed I was sincere and able.
Amateurs with no training or experience get people killed. I believe a pro may have been able to pull it off. Perhaps not. /armchairquarterback.
He’s making the “an armed society is a polite society” mistake. Sorry, but some armed societies are very violent. When civilians have armed confrontations with other civilians the result isn’t always going to be rational de-escalation. That’s no reason to take guns away, but it ought to be borne in mind that what you might think of as a “citizen’s arrest” situation isn’t automatically going to be perceived as such by everyone, especially someone who has been jogging for some time already and has the endorphins flowing.
Good article.
Thanks for posting so we can know the facts of the matter.
later
This verdict was NOT race-based AND it was fair. Just like the Rittenhouse trial was just and the trial was fair.
Good for our juries - good for our legal system... A pox on BLM thugs for trying to intimidate citizens.
its tough out there....
I am sure that the victim grabbed the rifle but its a moot point....those guys were out looking for trouble and they found it....
like Rittenhouse, we have to stop putting ourselves in bad situations even with the best of intentions...