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Alec Baldwin's accidental shooting incident leads to conversations about gun bans on movie, TV sets
Fox News ^ | 10/27/2021 | Tyler McCarthy

Posted on 10/27/2021 5:13:10 AM PDT by Scarlett156

Shows like 'The Rookie' and 'The Boys' have already decided to ban live guns on set

Internal discussions at major film and TV studios are reportedly underway to address calls for a ban on having real guns on set. However, it’s unlikely that a blanket ban will come from a network or studio level any time soon.

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To: _longranger81

That’s awful.

There really is no excuse for this when you think about it.

Why does Baldwin actually have to be the one to fire the gun?

the whole thing doesn’t add up, and there is no media out there to tell us what happened.


21 posted on 10/27/2021 5:31:09 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: _longranger81

Cinéma vérité - yeah, that’s the ticket!

How can an actor actually get into the spirit of the role unless the whole EXPERIENCE is first played out?


22 posted on 10/27/2021 5:33:24 AM PDT by alloysteel ("Guns don't kill people, Alec Baldwin kills people" - Donald Trump Jr.)
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To: rdcbn1; cotton1706; Scarlett156

Movies could be made with purpose built guns.

These guns could be rebarrelled to fire only blanks in a unique cartridge size.

Live, factory size cartridges could not be chambered.

It would be a huge expense but it could be done.

Basically they would foot the bill for a huge supply of wild cat blank cartridges to be manufactured for their purpose built non-functional firearms.


23 posted on 10/27/2021 5:36:29 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: Scarlett156

Just ban arrogant, ignorant liberals; easy peasy.


24 posted on 10/27/2021 5:39:19 AM PDT by Bernard (The very best scientific articles always contain this phrase: “My personal intuition has been…”)
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To: Bernard

You CANNOT ban arrogant, ignorant, and RICH liberals - they have their own money.


25 posted on 10/27/2021 5:42:10 AM PDT by alloysteel ("Guns don't kill people, Alec Baldwin kills people" - Donald Trump Jr.)
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To: nikos1121

There is coverage on this (articles, coverage on NewsNation TV), every day, blaming everyone but Alec Baldwin.


26 posted on 10/27/2021 5:42:47 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: nikos1121
Our side feels very bad for the victim and Alec

Fixed.

27 posted on 10/27/2021 5:47:46 AM PDT by KevinB (''...and to the Banana Republic for which it stands ...")
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To: Scarlett156
They have been making movies with actors appearing to shoot guns since they have been making movies. The first movie with a plot - The Great Train Robbery from 1903, even featured one of the robbers pointing at the camera and firing. There have been tons of westerns made since then, and 99.9% of them feature people with guns pointing them at other people and appearing to shoot them*. There are also many crime/film noir movies that feature actors appearing to shoot one another. AFAIK, the use of guns in those movies have not constituted a danger up to now. The safety practices on this Baldwin movie appear to have been incredibly slapdash if not completely nonexistent. OSHA should have shut the shoot down before anyone got hurt.

*I've seen lots of post by Freepers saying "never point a gun at someone unless you plan to shoot them". I guess those Freepers have never seen a western movie.

28 posted on 10/27/2021 5:48:45 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (11/3-11/4/2020 - The USA became a banana republic.)
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To: 4yearlurker

Better title is “negligent shooting incident” , that death shouldn’t have happened ever.


29 posted on 10/27/2021 5:58:19 AM PDT by teevolt
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To: Pontiac
Movies could be made with purpose built guns.

It's probably not too difficult to retrofit firearms for this type of niche usage. Since they would be blanks, you wouldn't have to rebarrel the firearm.

But you're probably overthinking it. Nobody is forcing these actors and crew members to take jobs on sets where firearms are being used. Just don't take the job. Enough people boycott gigs on Law and Order and the problem will take care of itself...

30 posted on 10/27/2021 5:58:24 AM PDT by jz638
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To: Scarlett156

A) This shooting was not an accident, it was the result of user stupidity. Extremely few shootings reported as accidents actually are accidental. Stupidity is the number one reason for them. Or mishandling.

B) Baldwin ignored both of the most important 2 rules of firearm safety.

1 Always treat every firearm as if it were loaded.

If he had actually done that, 2 would not have been an issue.

2 Never point a firearm at another person.

C) Baldwin has a long history of screeching about gun control every time he gets a chance, what was he doing in the same damn COUNTY with gun? If he really believes what he says, we should not have guns, why was he making a movie with one in his hand? Hes a fraud. And an idiot. And a liar. Probably has armed security too.

This shooting was no accident, it was user stupidity and could have been easily prevented. He did not check the gun HIMSELF to be sure it was not loaded, that eliminates the accident idea. I don’t care if the armorer handed it to him and yelled “COLD GUN”, he still should check it himself...My father would have chewed me out big time if ANYONE ever handed me a gun and I did not check it immediately, MYSELF to be aure it was not loaded. When I was a kid he did chew me out when HE handed me a .22 rifle and I didn’t check it. He knew it was unloaded...but I didn’t. After 60 years handling guns, that is still a habit right now.

I know my .22 revolver is always loaded, I still checked it when I picked it up, to be sure it was actually loaded. Its useless unloaded if I spot an armadillo...and I’m sitting outside with the .22 beside me right now as I type. Armadillo, opossum and raccoon all causing problems, snakes still out, yeah I have it with me...


31 posted on 10/27/2021 6:24:46 AM PDT by Paleo Pete (Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun the frumious Bandersnatch!)
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To: nikos1121

Well, if the point of the scene is the camera looking down the barrel of a gun while it’s fired by a given character, the actor firing it is the one to do it. Presumably it’s supposed to be loaded with a blank, and the camera behind protective glass (to protect the expensive lens from burning powder). Camera operator, nor director, shouldn’t be behind the target (the camera) even if it’s allegedly a blank, or nothing, being fired.

(Ironic that I’m one who inspected Penn & Teller’s gun for a double bullet catch trick.)


32 posted on 10/27/2021 6:31:59 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (All worry about monsters that'll eat our face, but it's our job to ask WHY it wants to eat our face.)
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To: nikos1121

There has been some mention in other places that before work on the film began, some of the cast/crew were plinking w/ that pistol that morning.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4007159/posts

This suggests to me that the problem is a bad case of negligence. Someone allowed the plinking ammo and the blank ammo to be together, or the weapon was not cleared after the plinking.
I would think live ammo would not be allowed on set, in the local “arms room,” or anywhere near it.
The weapon should have been take back to the ‘arms room’ and cleared after being used earlier, at the least.
The person who handed Baldwin the pistol and pronounced it ‘cold,’ safe to use on set, did not check it, nor did Baldwin. Everyone who handles it should check a weapon when it is received, and when passed on to another.

Firearms safety has gotten slack, it seems. Did the Duke, et al, allow such things on their sets? Ever?


33 posted on 10/27/2021 6:35:11 AM PDT by JackFromTexas (- Not For Hire -)
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To: Scarlett156

“Guns don’t kill people. Alec Baldwin kills people!”


34 posted on 10/27/2021 6:38:34 AM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim (I'll be good, I will, I will!)
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To: nikos1121
As I understand it, they were rehearsing a scene where Mr. Baldwin's character would shoot directly at the camera. The cinematographer was checking out how the shot (both meanings) would look. So yes, Mr. Baldwin was shooting directly at her. The bullet apparently passed through her abdomen, possibly glanced off her spine, and struck the other person standing near her. Given this is a western set in the 1880s, it was probably a 45 cal.

At least 3, possibly 4 people screwed up.

First, someone was using the firearm for "plinking" or target practice that morning off set. They apparently returned it to the set without clearing it. This may have been the armorer.

Second, the official armorer put it on the cart for use, without checking it.

Third, the assistant director picked it up and announced it was a "cold gun" without checking it.

Fourth, Mr. Baldwin accepted it from the assistant director, again, without checking it.


One person making a mistake is, well, a mistake. We're humans, we make mistakes. That's why there are four basic firearm safety rules. You can generally violate one intentionally or accidentally and if you follow the others, still come out alright.

Two people making mistakes in conjunction is a hopefully very rare occurrence. But it can happen, even to the best of us.

However, when you get to three or four people making mistakes, the same basic mistakes, this isn't bad luck. This is institutionalized arrogance, ignorance, and negligence. This wasn't an accident. With the attitudes and carelessness apparent in the chain of events, this was predictable and inevitable.

35 posted on 10/27/2021 6:44:40 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Biden/Harris - illegitimate and everyone knows it.)
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To: Scarlett156

There have been thousands of western movies and tv shows with lots of shooting made without incident. It takes a moron like Alec Baldwin to do something like this. Is it possible he did it on purpose because he hates guns so much?


36 posted on 10/27/2021 6:46:46 AM PDT by EastTexasTraveler
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To: Scarlett156
Alec Baldwin's accidental shooting incident leads to conversations about gun bans on movie, TV sets

How's about it leads to some ARRESTS? Let's save the conversation for the jailhouse.
37 posted on 10/27/2021 6:55:32 AM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: Scarlett156
I think Hollyweird should be made to use finger guns in all their movies. The lefty actors can make the pew pew sound to get their point across.
38 posted on 10/27/2021 6:57:35 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: Sans-Culotte
*I've seen lots of post by Freepers saying "never point a gun at someone unless you plan to shoot them". I guess those Freepers have never seen a western movie.

This has been explained by some actors and directors. The gun is not actually aimed directly at another actor. It's aimed off to the side and the camera angle makes it look like it's aimed at the other person.

39 posted on 10/27/2021 7:05:28 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (<---has now left CA for NV, where God/guns have not been outlawed! She's done and he's won!)
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To: nikos1121
4. Why is there nada coverage on this, other than to discuss the banning of guns on sets?

The fact that it is NOT being discussed or reported on should tell you everything you need to know.

It's the USUAL LIBERAL COVERUP.

40 posted on 10/27/2021 7:07:13 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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