Ancient Super Navies | Ancient Discoveries (S4, E2)

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[SunkenCiv]

Using the latest scientific techniques to solve the greatest mysteries of the ancient world's naval technology, our team of underwater detectives and elite naval commandos are investigating legends, in Season 4, Episode 2, "Ancient Super Navies."

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Ancient Super Navies | Ancient Discoveries (S4, E2) | Full Episode | History | Sep 8, 2021 | History

[SunkenCiv]

Our Armies and Tactics series continues and in this edition we will talk about the Ancient Greek Navies, with a focus on Athens and Sparta during the Peloponnesian Wars. Which ships were used, what were the tactics, who financed the fleets and manned them - you will learn about all that and more in this video.

A very talented animator/illustrator Benjin Pratt created most of the animations used in this video, while the research was done by an aspiring historian Andreas Kokkinoftas.

Armies and Tactics: Ancient Greek Navies | May 3, 2018 | Kings and Generals

[SunkenCiv]

I haven't gotten through all of these, but I'm tired of keeping the tabs open until I get around to this.

Considers the role of Ships in Ancient Greece for both Trade and Naval Warfare. Explores nautical tactics, shipbuilding, items of commerce, trade routes, port locations and activity. 478-336 BC.

Ancient Greece: Ships for Trade and Naval Warfare (478 - 336 BC) | March 30, 2017 | Educational Video Library

[SunkenCiv]

Ancient Rome was originally an Italic settlement dating from the 8th century BC that grew into the city of Rome and which subsequently gave its name to the empire over which it ruled and to the widespread civilisation the empire developed. The Roman empire expanded to become one of the largest empires in the ancient world, though still ruled from the city, with an estimated 50 to 90 million inhabitants and covering 5.0 million square kilometres at its height in AD 117.

Ancient Roman civilisation has contributed to modern government, law, politics, engineering, art, literature, architecture, technology, warfare, religion, language and society. Rome professionalised and expanded its military and created a system of government called res publica, the inspiration for modern republics such as the United States and France. It achieved impressive technological and architectural feats, such as the construction of an extensive system of aqueducts and roads, as well as the construction of large monuments, palaces, and public facilities.

By the end of the Republic (27 BC), Rome had conquered the lands around the Mediterranean and beyond: its domain extended from the Atlantic to Arabia and from the mouth of the Rhine to North Africa. The Roman Empire emerged with the end of the Republic and the dictatorship of Augustus Caesar. 721 years of Roman-Persian Wars started in 92 BC with their first war against Parthia. It would become the longest conflict in human history, and have major lasting effects and consequences for both empires. Under Trajan, the Empire reached its territorial peak. Republican mores and traditions started to decline during the imperial period, with civil wars becoming a prelude common to the rise of a new emperor.

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[SunkenCiv]

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[Mount Athos]

The one I wonder about are the Minoans (predating greeks).

How were they so utterly dominant with their navy?

[DannyTN]

prehistoric naval gazing?

[Adder]

Tis true: No Rome, no us today. No other people so influenced the world.

Too bad we forget them AND the lessons they can teach.

[PIF]

La Mouthe Cave, France. 10,000 year old Ship showing large mast, two figures, bowsprit dragon-like carving, square rigged with trailing lines

[Liberty Valance]

Amazing. Thanks.

[logi_cal869]

Great vid. Thanks.

[SunkenCiv]

My pleasure.

[SunkenCiv]

It’s a hut.

https://donsmaps.com/lamouthe.html

Too bad, it’s clear that there have been watercraft for at least 800K years.

The cave may be too good to be true, regardless:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grotte_de_la_Mouthe&prev=search&pto=aue

[SunkenCiv]

From the Roman conquest of Ostia, to the fall of Constantinople in 1453, they adapted and endured.

[SunkenCiv]

:^)

[SunkenCiv]

The Minoan Thallasocracy was probably a modern anachronistic projection, but they either came from or developed/borrowed/adapted some kind of maritime tradition, perhaps from their relatives, and of course, they had to get to their islands somehow, so...

[PIF]

It’s a hut.

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I guess you are not familiar with how ships in heavy seas appear - it is definitely NOT a hut. Huts do not have central pillars with cloth set in sail fashion nor do they exhibit people, carved bowsprits, nor trailing lines. The ship ties in with the placement of various worldwide megalithic stone structures which can be seen from the sea, providing navigational markers. The representation gives a better validation to what ships may have looked like 800,000 YA, of which there are no known examples of that age, rather ships are implied by various pre-human migrations.

Even if one object in the cave may be a fake - which the article seems to say, even though it is not proved but supposition, does not mean everything is a fake.

[SunkenCiv]

I guess you're not famillar with how huts have appeared. The cave's got some formidable fortification nowadays, the only reason for doubt about the lamp is that one modern fake, I don't think the fakery extends to everything, just that the cave hasn't been open for proper study by the look of that and the number of photos taken of the lamp. It's not a stretch to think they really did have lamps in caves.

As I said, I'd love it if it were a representation of a ship, but among antiquarians, the view is, it's a hut.

The reason seafaring is known to be at least 800K old is, Flores Island (now better known for Floriensis) has artifacts that old, and during the currently accepted time of humans/hominims the island has been divided from the mainland by some miles of open water.

[PIF]

antiquarians who do not want to rock their particular boats of consensus thinking - who would not know a ship from shinola. Forget what it is ‘supposed to be’ and just use your eyes to see what is there piece by piece

[SunkenCiv]

It’s hut. That’s the only thing that shows. Huts come in many different forms, because we humans are innovative and will use anything that’s around. My favorites are the mammoth bone huts, although I do prefer not havingg to live in those anymore, particularly since the raw materials are harder to find in our era.

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=mammoth+tusk+huts

[PIF]

I’ve spent decades on the sea and that is clearly a sailing vessel - you’ve lived in huts too long