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Could mRNA COVID-19 vaccines be dangerous in the long-term?
https://www.jpost.com The Jerusalem Post ^ | NOVEMBER 17, 2020 | MAAYAN JAFFE-HOFFMAN

Posted on 04/06/2021 10:21:49 AM PDT by yelostar

November 2020

Israelis celebrated on Friday when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced that the country had signed a deal with Pfizer Inc. to buy its novel coronavirus vaccine. But the fact remains that if Pfizer succeeds – or Moderna, with whom Israel also has a contract – these will be the first-ever messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines brought to market for human patients.

In order to receive Food and Drug Administration approval, the companies will have to prove there are no immediate or short-term negative health effects from taking the vaccines. But when the world begins inoculating itself with these completely new and revolutionary vaccines, it will know virtually nothing about their long-term effects.

“There is a race to get the public vaccinated, so we are willing to take more risks,” Tal Brosh, head of the Infectious Disease Unit at Samson Assuta Ashdod Hospital, told The Jerusalem Post.

But he acknowledged that there are unique and unknown risks to messenger RNA vaccines, including local and systemic inflammatory responses that could lead to autoimmune conditions.

An article published by the National Center for Biotechnology Information, a division of the National Institutes of Health, said other risks include the bio-distribution and persistence of the induced immunogen expression; possible development of auto-reactive antibodies; and toxic effects of any non-native nucleotides and delivery system components.

(Excerpt) Read more at jpost.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: autoimmune; chinavirusvaccine; info; longtermrisks; mrna; oldnews; sideeffects; unknownrisks
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To: libh8er
The first is technically correct but factually inaccurate to the point of deception. It says,
"Myth: The mRNA vaccines change your DNA and could cause cancer. Truth: None of the vaccines interact with or alter your DNA in any way, and therefore cannot cause cancer.
Messenger RNA (mRNA) is not the same as DNA and cannot be combined with DNA to change your genetic code. Here’s now mRNA vaccines actually work"

This argument is based on central dogma of genetics where RNA can't make DNA. DNA can only make DNA through transcription. Think of a zipper where the DNA unzips and then forms a new copy. This is true it takes an enzyme to for the protein synthesis to take place from RNA to the DNA. Then the DNA can produce other DNA using the central dogma of genetics. This process is called reverse transcription.

What you're doing is us not recognizing that the central dogma has been modified since reverse transcription was discovered. Central dogma of genetics is still true if no enzymes are used to create the protein synthesis. This is being highly deceptive or completely unaware of the new modifications to genetics

If that isn't enough lets use the words from moderna

"we set out to create an mRNA technology platform that functions very much like an operating system on a computer. It is designed so that it can plug and play interchangeably with different programs. In our case, the "program” or “app” is our mRNA drug - the unique mRNA sequence that codes for a protein"
https://www.modernatx.com/mrna-technology/mrna-platform-enabling-drug-discovery-development

Why do you spread miss information?

121 posted on 04/06/2021 4:45:51 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: cgbg

Doctors coast to coast, all over the nation prefer Camel cigarettes.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=camel+cigarette+ad+doctors+prefer+camels&docid=607991365734905132&mid=DABA2D61DF77B0CB1E2BDABA2D61DF77B0CB1E2B&view=detail&FORM=VIRE


122 posted on 04/06/2021 4:48:24 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777

What do you call a doctor who made D’s in medical school?

A doctor. lol


123 posted on 04/06/2021 4:50:40 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: grey_whiskers
Now I know you’re either amn idiot or utterly dishonest.

There is a saying : "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Drink deep or taste not the Pierian spring."

The problem is people such as yourself who do not understand biology and are simply looking for confirmation bias. Have a nice day.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaxxers-misrepresent-a-study-to-falsely-claim-that-covid-19-vaccines-cause-cancer/

124 posted on 04/06/2021 5:05:17 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: libh8er

I sent a letter to the legal department of the miss information you gave.


125 posted on 04/06/2021 5:18:14 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: yelostar

HCQ would probably be useful to treat such future autoimmune conditions. And BTW, also for the virus...


126 posted on 04/06/2021 5:57:26 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Caveat Emperor: Comitii asinorum atque rhinocerorum delendi sunt.)
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To: libh8er

Thank you very much for the posted article and all of you’re information.

There is a silent majority that agree with but avoid engaging with medically uneducated or conspiracy types.
Of course there are those that are extra special and are both.

I saved your link to reread and use as reference.

Have a great evening.


127 posted on 04/06/2021 6:05:22 PM PDT by David Chase
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To: libh8er
I understand biology, I was addressing the trite oversimplification ("RNA is not DNA and cannot change the DNA").

The key part of the article YOU quoted just now, which you should have started off with, is this:

"Second, the mRNA in the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines does not undergo any splicing, both of which occur in the nucleus. The mRNA sequences in these vaccines is a complete mRNA sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and needs no splicing before transcription. Indeed, it really wouldn’t make any sense at all to include in a vaccine an mRNA that requires splicing, as that’s an extra step where things could go wrong and that doesn’t provide any countervailing advantage to make it worthwhile to do. Basically, when you are trying to get eukaryotic cells (as in human cells) to produce a protein from an RNA, keeping the design of the mRNA as simple as possible is best. Use the RNA sequence encoding the protein you want to produce, tack on whatever regulatory sequences to the coding sequence in order to drive expression of the protein, and get as much of the RNA into the cytoplasm to encounter as many ribosomes and churn out as much protein as possible before the RNA, unstable molecule that it is, inevitably degrades. In other words, no splicing or truncated proteins, even if the proteins being produced were even relevant to cancer, which the coronavirus spike protein is not."

Mayr implied that the mix of splicing vs. adyenlation could lead down the road to problems with the mRNA --> problems with the encoded protein --> proteins don't do their usual anti-cancer job --> cancer.

Posting something that says "DNA doesn't mix with RNA" isn't an accurate refutation; your relying on that, made you look bad.

If you'd bothered to say, "Mayr posited that errors in preprocessing the mRNA and shuffling it in and out of the nucleus, may lead to interference with proteins, and thence to cancer; but the mRNA injections come "ready made" and don't need to make it to the nucleus; and the effect of interfering with proteins is in general limited to the proteins encoded for specifically by that mRNA, so no biggie" you wouldn't have got the response you did.

= = = = = = = = = = =

The other issues with the jab then, are the observed effects among people who have already received it; the observed issue 10 years or so ago among animal models of mRNA injections, and what sounded like antibody-dependent enhancement after injection (*) some people brought this up long before the vaccines as a putative mechanism for the "walk down the street and fall down dead" supposedly seen in Wuhan; and high-ups who used to be at Pfizer and other places, warning about side effects and resemblance of the spike protein to other human proteins (again, early reports from China long before vaccines, indicated the virus attacked the testes, and I think it was someone at Pfizer who noted the *resemblance* of the spike protein to syncytin-1 in the placenta). The problem with the deBOOONKers is that they are too eager to demonize ALL questions about the virus, and have ZERO compunction about lying through their teeth in order to discredit opposition.

(For example, compare https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/10/blog-posting/no-pfizers-head-research-didnt-say-covid-19-vaccin/

"Humans do have a protein called syncytin-1, which is critical in developing the placenta during pregnancy, Stockwell said in an email. "Theoretically, an immune response against this protein could cause increased risk of a failed pregnancy."

But if the claims in the blog post were accurate, that would mean that pregnant women who catch COVID-19 would also become infertile, he said. No increased infertility or pregnancy loss has been observed in women with COVID-19. "

Note that? The person from Pfizer raised a possibility and couched it as a theoretical RISK. But the deBOOOOOONKERs vastly misrepresent what he said, jerk off into their own mouth, and ignore that real studies have been done on real COVID and pregnancy (which is a proxy for artificial inoculation, of course, for a number or reasons).

to, for example, this from Harvard: https://hms.harvard.edu/news/placental-protection

First author Elizabeth Taglauer, an HMS instructor in pediatrics and a placental immunologist at Boston Children’s, and senior author Elisha Wachman at Boston University School of Medicine and Boston Medical Center followed pregnant women with COVID-19 and studied a variety of maternal and fetal samples, including placentas discarded after delivery.

The team's findings indicate that SARS-CoV-2 can only partially penetrate the placenta.

Even when babies were uninfected, the researchers detected SARS-CoV-2 spike protein in the placental villi, specifically in the outermost layer, which directly contacts the mother’s blood and is the first barrier the virus must cross to get from mother to fetus.

The researchers also found that ACE2, the primary receptor for SARS-CoV-2, was present in this placental layer at lower levels in infected than in uninfected mothers. (emphasis mine) Taglauer plans to investigate whether the placenta downregulates ACE2 as a protective measure against infection.

...In other words, politifuct is making up strawmen about what WOULD happen™ without looking at the evidence of what DOES happen. But when anyone else raises a question, they shout them down, while overstating what was said.

None of this covers, btw, why there have been mandatory lockdowns for a virus with a cumulative fatality rate of 0.2% or whatever, mostly among the obese and/or elderly; why there have been conflicting advice on masks and fomite transmission; why fatality rates were artificially inflated by mixing "died with a positive test for the virus" vs. "died OF the virus"; why the inventor of the PCR reaction warned against its being used as a diagnostic; why apparently there are no samples extant of pure virus (which is presumably why an mRNA injection was pursued instead of a true vaccine); why the recommendations on "you must take the vaccine even though it will neither protect you nor others" (there are well-substantiated reports emerging of severe side effects from the vaccine, in otherwise healthy, asymptomatic people, as well as people who have received both rounds of the injection suffering subsequent COVID-19 infection); let alone various countries / heads of state declining / forbidding different formulations (e.g. Germany forbidding Astra-Zeneca, IIRC); nor the suppression of Ivermectin / HCQ and the deliberate lying-through-their-foul-teeth about "Trump said to drink bleach"...

Add all the atypical and repressive behaviours on the part of the public officials and public health authorities, together with the low fatality rate (and Wuhan is doing just fine now, thank you), and it is natural to ascribe malificient motives to ALL of their actions. Which then includes the vaccines.

128 posted on 04/06/2021 6:06:34 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: David Chase
Why, fancy meeting the Troll here.

How's your slander of Q posters going?

I notice the proprietor of the site told you to stay of Q threads.

129 posted on 04/06/2021 6:08:27 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Sorry, I don’t engage with conspiracy theorist.
They’re too special for me.


130 posted on 04/06/2021 6:29:17 PM PDT by David Chase
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To: David Chase

You were doing plenty off it before the boss told you to quit.
You’re coming across way too much like Pee-Wee Herman (”I meant to do that”)


131 posted on 04/06/2021 6:30:22 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Preventative OTC and Rx protocols are easily available.

EVERYONE should be on these....and, everyone should have access to inexpensive, effective and proven treatments, as well.


132 posted on 04/06/2021 8:58:16 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: grey_whiskers

Making sure you saw THIS…

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3948160/posts


133 posted on 04/06/2021 9:25:42 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
I saw that.

If you adopt the provisional view that Deep Staters are more or less compelled (whether psychological need to rub our noses in it, or required by the evil spirits they obey) to tell us their plans in advance (think of Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut")...

then the post you sent me there, *would* dovetail nicely with the all-over-the-cable-TV-world-and-the-Internet fascination with Zombie hordes (video games, memes, "Walking Dead" show).

Just as, in the year before Trump got elected, I kept on seeing this on my YouTube recommendations.

I don't know if it's true.

On the other hand, who would have thought a demented kiddie sniffer would be allowed to cheat his way past the House, Senate, and Supreme Court in open sight, and that (for example) The DoD would start paying for sex change operations?

And that Trump would Tweet in June 2020 about states revealing to foreign actors the formula to print "official" ballots? (June 22, IIRC; I think Gab has archived all of his now-deleted Tweets).

Just leave the door open a crack to allow for the possibility of *real* bad guys and Grima Wormtongues. That doesn't mean you have to embrace and endorse every interpretation of every remark on 4chan/8kun.

134 posted on 04/06/2021 9:34:20 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: libh8er
That is correct. But these cells sprouting the spike proteins die (killed by the body’s own immune system). The key point is they are limited in number — and all of which will die — and the change is not hereditary. The spikes won’t be passed down to succeeding generations because there is no genetic/DNA alteration.

Yes, but my point is that this is where there's tons of potential for confusion - your body might recognize those fake virus cells as a part of your body, and decide the spike protein is ok. Or perhaps recognize the other parts (not just the spike) of that cell as an invader - parts that are shared by other things inside you that you don't want to be killed off.
But why would the body stop producing them? Unless some other mRNA is sent to the cells, won't they keep producing the fake virus nonstop? Sure, eventually your body will reprogram those cells back to what it actually needs, but not every fake virus producer may get changed for a long while. And what happens if your body detects that certain cells are creating the virus it's defending against? Possibly attack every other cell that produces stuff?
135 posted on 04/06/2021 9:35:31 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: neverevergiveup
In this manner, the adenovirus-mediated vaccines and the mRNA vaccines are doing essentially the same thing - providing a nucleic acid blueprint for making the spike protein.

Yes, I know that JnJ isn't a normal vaccine either - it's the same as the other two, just different carriers.


Anyway, one of the limitations of gene therapy has been the inability to get the corrective gene sequences to last. This can be overcome with some viruses (HIV-derived vectors, retroviruses, AAV), but remains a big limitation. That said - it's not a worry that the Covid vaccine mRNA is going to hang out and make spike protein for a long time.

Probably not, but there's plenty of other issues, plus, statistically, there will be some cells that your body takes a long time to change back to normal mRNA instructions. I'll just re-post what I wrote to someone else:
Yes, but my point is that this is where there's tons of potential for confusion - your body might recognize those fake virus cells as a part of your body, and decide the spike protein is ok. Or perhaps recognize the other parts (not just the spike) of that cell as an invader - parts that are shared by other things inside you that you don't want to be killed off.
But why would the body stop producing them? Unless some other mRNA is sent to the cells, won't they keep producing the fake virus nonstop? Sure, eventually your body will reprogram those cells back to what it actually needs, but not every fake virus producer may get changed for a long while. And what happens if your body detects that certain cells are creating the virus it's defending against? Possibly attack every other cell that produces stuff?
136 posted on 04/06/2021 9:39:39 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: yelostar

Astrazeneca vaccine causes blood clots, pulled for recipients under 30 in some European countries. Here we go!


137 posted on 04/07/2021 9:39:01 AM PDT by RushCrush (Prayers up for Rush Hudson Limbaugh)
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To: yelostar
The synthetic mRNA injections are the beginning of their bigger plans. 'Great Reset Will ‘Lead To Fusion Of Our Physical, Digital, & Biological Identity.’ ~Klaus Schwab

They want to create a slave class for their Technocratic feudalist system. The rest will go the way of their population control.


138 posted on 04/07/2021 9:42:32 AM PDT by 444Flyer (John 3, Revelation 20, Joshua 24:15, 1 Kings 18:16-39, Pick a side...)
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To: yelostar

Two people hospitalized and many more had injurious reactions to shot.

4/7/21

“COVID vaccination site closes early after adverse reactions to Johnson & Johnson shot”

https://nypost.com/2021/04/07/covid-vaccine-site-closes-early-after-adverse-reactions-to-jj-shot/


139 posted on 04/08/2021 9:59:27 AM PDT by 444Flyer (John 3, Revelation 20, Joshua 24:15, 1 Kings 18:16-39, Pick a side...)
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To: 444Flyer

High-tech eugenics of a sort.


140 posted on 04/08/2021 10:35:38 AM PDT by yelostar
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