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For example, define "Liberalism" in the modern context, as it's practiced in our time, and compare it to the "classical" definition as intended by Jefferson, et al.

The same discussion is invited for the term "Conservatism", in the original meaning and modern usage.

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1 posted on 01/22/2021 6:18:11 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: OKSooner

Conservative: Leave us alone!

Liberal: NO!.........................................


2 posted on 01/22/2021 6:19:47 AM PST by Red Badger (TREASON is the REASON for the SLEAZIN'.................................)
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To: OKSooner

Summing up so far:
Conservative: Leave us alone!
Liberal: NO!.
Libertarian = Leave ME alone.


7 posted on 01/22/2021 6:32:29 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: OKSooner

You need to greatly narrow the scope of your question. I’d suggest making it pertain to usage in the USA only, and possibly to current use only.

With that in mind, politically speaking, a Conservative is one who believes the US Constitution is a legal document that needs to be followed. A liberal is one who has little to no understanding nor respect for the Constitution, and whose goal is to move the US away from a Constitutional Representative Republic and toward some form of Marxism.


8 posted on 01/22/2021 6:32:43 AM PST by jdsteel ("A Republic, Madam, if you can keep it." Sorry Ben, looks like we blew it.)
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To: OKSooner
It is too late for a single conventional definition of "liberal". The word has been ruined by meaning something very different at different times.

Rather I would chuck the whole idea that there is a dimension with "liberal" on one side and "conservative" on the other. Or even "left" on one side and "right" on the other.

The reality is closer to there is whatever is popular with the intellectuals of society, which we can call Left. This is "intellectuals" in the sense that Thomas Sowell defines them, that is people whose entire end product of their labors is ideas. Not ideas put to action, like engineers, doctors, or software developers etc. But simply ideas NOT put into practice.

These professional "intellectuals" are not judged by the success of their ideas, but by how impressed other intellectuals and those that follow intellectuals and try to gain prestige by doing so.

The ideas that become popular are not plain common sense ones, but ones that excite passions about progress over traditions and such that have held people back. Essentially the snake oil of political ideas that promise the sky, but are not realistic and deliver only disaster when implemented.

This core of intellectual popular ideas is roughly what is the "Left". What people call the "Right" is not really a particular core of ideas. It is the rest of people who do not buy the ridiculous snake oil and argue about ideas in a realistic way. Who are not part of the brain-dead hive mind. It includes very diverse viewpoints, including materialist hedonists and orthodox Christians and a few nutty conspiracy theorists. It really is not a particular ideology.

10 posted on 01/22/2021 6:35:41 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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Liberalism in the classic sense draws upon and inculcates the concept that a free individual may draw from all of human experience to live a life not of ease, but of full satisfaction as a human being.

Liberalism in the current sense is a perversion of all of the above, seeking instead to nullify individual pursuits in the interest of a collective morass.

Conservatism is a more recent concept. It does not suffer a harsh duality, but its varying definitions tend toward the preservation of healthy institutions and traditions whether individual or corporate in nature.


14 posted on 01/22/2021 6:44:17 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (No audit. No peace.)
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Conservatives are just that - conservative; liberals have to define themselves since they don’t know what they really are. They categorize themselves into: progressive, moderate, activists, centrists, etc.


15 posted on 01/22/2021 6:53:01 AM PST by SkyDancer (Remember Ashli Babbitt!)
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Conservatism without Nationalism is like Faith without works.

Neoconservatives purged all America First from the Republican party starting in 1988.

Trump was a paleoconservative...nearly by the book.

So, when discussing “conservative”, distinction between paleo and neo is essential.


18 posted on 01/22/2021 7:12:11 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Less or more government.


19 posted on 01/22/2021 7:22:30 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Allegations of vote fraud cause you to 1)Provide contrary evidence or 2)Censor and erect razor wire)
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Conservatives .
Humans have individual dignity and the ability to think for theirselves and make decisions for theirselves .
We will make individual decisions to better our lives and will live with our decisions for better or worse .
Liberals . People are not sophisticated enough to make their own decisions . They need a strong government presence to be taken care of and protected from their own ignorance .


21 posted on 01/22/2021 7:28:09 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Leave me alone, I have no incriminating evidence on the Clintons)
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There is no “classical” version.

“Conservative” is completely a relative term. Relative to what is normal, either in time or place.

Conservatives of the US today want to CONSERVE what makes the USA the USA.

Liberal simply means NOT conservative. Upsetting the order.


22 posted on 01/22/2021 7:30:39 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs. I )
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To: OKSooner

Control Freaks (and their fearful enablers)
V
Freedom Lovers

All else is shiney wrappers.

Note: plenty of Control Freaks on both sides of “liberals” and “conservatives.” Always ask, “Will this (action or person) increase or decrease personal freedom?”

(Note: Control Freaks are the leaders, but fearful people make up 95% of thier base. I count the “You’ll burn in hell!” people on the Control Freak side. Flame (get it?) away.)


25 posted on 01/22/2021 10:05:06 AM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (Convention Of States is our only hope now!)
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