Posted on 01/19/2021 4:38:09 PM PST by rfreedom4u
Many people have stated that secession is illegal and not allowed as determined by the American Civil War. But is it really? Throughout the history of the United States our government has supported the independence/secession of states/territories/colonies from various other nations.
Haiti seceded from the French empire through a slave revolt. South Sudan broke from Sudan. Yugoslavia broke into several countries and later Kosovo seceded from Serbia. Czechoslovakia split into two countries. The Soviet split into quite a few countries. The UK left the European Union. And many others….
So why do people say secession is illegal in the United States? There’s nothing in the US Constitution that mentions secession. The Tenth Amendment states “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Using my logic this means that since the issue of secession is not given to the federal government it is reserved to the states or the people themselves to determine. I’ve read the constitution of my own state (Texas) and secession is not mentioned at all. This even furthers my belief that is should be determined by the people.
If I were to join a club and did not like what the club became, I would be well within my rights to quit that club. If I go to see a movie and don’t like it, I can walk out. So why would anyone believe that the United States is a “once you’re in you can’t leave” type of deal? When someone doesn’t like the state in which they live they are free to move to another state or even another country.
If secession/independence/splitting up is supported for other people in the world why is it not ok for citizens of the United States? And yes, I know that politicians are garbage and want to maintain their power and control. So please give me your opinion on whether it is legal or not and why you think that way? But please spare me the “if it’s broke, we don’t run away, we fix it” argument. At this point I am fairly certain that it is not repairable.
Some here on FR think membership in the United States is like membership in a prison gang or the mafia. You can join but can’t leave.
Regardless whether it’s legal or not (I believe it is based on the beliefs of the Founders of the damn country!) there is no obligation to stay in a tyrannical Union. Do we care about the ‘laws’ of tyrants?
Since we really haven’t been under the constitution for about 100 years, your not really seceding from the United States as describe in the constitution. Any state can just say they are reverting back to the original republic.
It was the Union that Washington was concerned about when he worked with Madison on the ideas behind the Constitution. It was the Union that made Lincoln fight so hard during his presidency.
The Union makes us unique among nations. Secession is a bad idea.
Secession is connected one of the founding principles: Government by consent.
The people determine the government, not the other way around.
The colonies seceded from Great Britain.
Costa Rica and Bali are legal.
I thought Texas specifically retained the right to secede when they joined the Union
Secession is a bad idea.
Maybe a bad idea. But is it legal?
I believe it’s time to rehear that case.
This kind of question tend to be answered on the battlefield.
That sounds like the Hotel California. You can check in, but you can't check out.
I’ve read the State Constitution and the Treaty the admitted Texas. I didn’t see anything about secession.
Well, with our current SCOTUS, the other states wouldn’t have standing to challenge it.
The productive states are tired of supporting the unproductive states; but the unproductive states control the courts, so secession will be ruled illegal.
I, personally, do not think secession is illegal. But, I have no say in the matter.
+1
Leaving is legal. It’s not a suicidal pact. It may take violence to leave.
Bkmk
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