Posted on 12/02/2020 9:55:08 PM PST by SteveH
all other alternatives to an emergency special election seem to end in some form of violence or permanent dislocation of one main party or the other.
a re-election would be fine but suffers from the flaw that it invites a repeat in the forseeable future simply by the precedent that it sets.
holding an emergency election between the two top second tier contestants is not ideal but there is no ideal alternative. this alternative might be the fairest among the hobbesian universe of unequally unfair choices that do not ultimately involve a government collapse.
if the two major parties agree, emergency legislation could be passed in time for a short campaign, a one day election, a foreshortened but otherwise normal electoral college process, and an inauguration by january 20.
trump and biden negotiate and agree for the benefit of the country to sit this one out and let their seconds battle peacefully for the presidency. it is not a re-co and so forms an generally unpalatable precedent for all future parties in all future elections. there will be less temptation to repeat this emergency election, and the temptation to set a vanilla repeat election which would lead to an unwise precedent is removed.
major parties don't have to agree on much except for the situation to be an emergency requiring extraordinary measures to recover from the emergency. if there is not enough time, then the inauguration and other deadlines could be moved forwards by a couple of months, by mutual agreement.
no one quite wins, but otoh, no one quite loses either.
Meds?
Califluck you has eaten your brain away.
just considering all the of consequences.
The Constitution defines what to do when elections go haywire. Those running for office don't get to rewrite the Constitution and the law after the fact to decide who wins. This is a Republic, for as long as we can keep it that way, not a feudal society.
i started with a question of what would minimize insurrection while maximizing a spirit of democracy. of course, you are welcome to your opinionof me. now what would you propose as an alternative?
Harris is not eligible.
i’m not proposing any permanent change to the constitution. however, it could take the form of a one shot amendment. the key would be mutual agreement between trump and biden— all else could follow from that in some way (leave it to lawyers).
to my mind, the question would become, would biden be willing to admit a very big problem exists with the current election? or would he try to brute force his way from a broken election process?
Either throw it to the House and it goes to Trump who fixes the election process with Blockchain, or, as I suspect it goes, a report is issued by DOJ showing Chinese interference through the $400 million worth of Dominion they bought, and Trump cleans out the trash while the House selects him per order from a SC case.
But if those were not on the table, then cross the Rubicon and take it. We are done with the left/Cabal, we are just counting the days until they kill us or we kill them.
I’d vote we go first.
at this point, it is difficult to deal with all of the finer points. 8 years of obama has already set a bad precedent. yes, harris on paper is not eligible. yes, i wish the democrats had put up a more legitimate VP candidate. can we we argue on two fronts at the same time at this late stage? probably not realistic given the problems of prevailing in the main premise.
let harris run as the flag bearer. she was not that popular. there is a decent chance she would not win in a fair election. if she wins in a fair election, we collectively have only ourselves to blame.
No resignation. No quarter. Biden is a criminal.
We’re not a democracy.
We are a Constitutional Republic, a nation of laws and the Constitution.
It needs to be followed whether the left likes it or not and whether they throw a temper tantrum or not.
Negotiating with the left will not work.
Appeasement will not work.
Spirit of Democracy ?? Allowing someone to fraudulently steal the vote and then agree to your scheme, a crime is a crime, you either punish it or lose all credibility and authority.
Treason is Treason
Bruh.
“now what would you propose as an alternative?”
The procedures to be followed are already law.
You and I and everyone else will watch those procedures followed.
someone should first put a finger in the air to see which way the winds are blowing. maybe trump has some trump cards to convince state legislatures or the minimal objections in the house needed. this is if trump does not any more cards to play.
Go to bed!
new laws can be passed and of course would need to be passed. i would rather have a peaceful new law passed than play chicken and find out at the last moment that one party or the other did not yield. no human document written (except math proofs) are perfect and anything can be improved, especially if violence is the forseeable likely alternative.
President Pence? No thanks...
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