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My cousin the nurse gave me her opinion on covid tonight.
Free republic | 10/27/2020 | Chicagoconservative27

Posted on 10/27/2020 6:39:45 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

My cousin who is a head nurse at a local hospital in Chicago suburbs gave me this info on covid. These are the text messages from her. Take her information as you wish.

From what I've seen, there are very high false positive And negative rates. Also, if you test positive, then test again 3 days later and are all positive, that counts as 2 positives. What we can't dispute are the number of actual hospitalizations, which are definitely up in my area, but I'm very specious of anyone who has zero symptoms but comes up positive. The good news is that critically ill cases (needing ventilators) appear to be going down as we've learned so much about treatment. Those with comorbidities such as diabetes, copd, obesity are highest fatality risks, however fatalities are a pretty slim percentage. To compare it, I think there were like 7 gun violence deaths in Chicago alone compared to the 15 Covid deaths in the entire state of Illinois. No death count is ideal, but compared to other pandemics and causes of death, death from Covid seems to be pretty low comparatively.

Unfortunately I don't see the connection with shut downs and how it helps support the hospitals. I do with mandating masks, hand hygiene and social distancing. If restaurants and bars can manage these guidelines with limited capacities, I'm not sure I understand the shut downs.


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She just sent me some more texts.

I think the shut downs are confusing and inconsistent so I’m not sure they’re effective. They’re just forcing people to gather in more creative venues instead of discouraging gathering. For example, if we shut down schools, the children have to go somewhere while parents work, which end up being daycares and at home sitters. Same volume of exposure, just different credentials. You can’t have a funeral but can protest, you can’t eat in a restaurant but can eat in a tent with 4 walls outside of it.

Our volumes in my district are rising, hospital bed occupancy is the highest it’s been in the 2 hospitals I support since the start. The issue from the start was the overtaxation of hospitals, not about eradicating the virus. Masking and social distancing appear to be most effective, but I can’t help but wonder if the closures are politically motivated.

We can’t eradicate the flu, why would we think it’s a possibility with Covid? The strain has already mutated much like the flu does seasonally. Grocery stores are jam packed yet we can’t sit in a restaurant 6 feet apart. I agree, feels very political at this point


21 posted on 10/27/2020 7:13:51 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: surroundedbyblue

And this is what my daughter also says and she is a nurse.


22 posted on 10/27/2020 7:14:39 PM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: JD_UTDallas
Pcr tests are designed to have the error rates to the false positive side of the equation.

A reasonable number of false positives, sure.

But I've heard that they've made these PCR tests way too sensitive and that there are way too many false positives.

23 posted on 10/27/2020 7:15:30 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: ChicagoConservative27
You can’t have a funeral but can protest, you can’t eat in a restaurant but can eat in a tent with 4 walls outside of it.

Yup.

I ate in one of tent configurations last week. It was chilly out so they closed all the flaps.

I mean, what is the bloody difference...

24 posted on 10/27/2020 7:22:49 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: ChicagoConservative27

“[H]ospital bed occupancy is the highest it’s been in the 2 hospitals I support since the start.”

Are the hospitalizations due to Covid? Or to people who are in bad shape with other things because they weren’t treated for them all these months?

Or because people are put in the hospital with Covid or suspected Covid who wouldn’t have been hospitalized with the same degree of symptoms last year for the flu when there was no extra money flowing to hospitals?


25 posted on 10/27/2020 7:24:55 PM PDT by CheshireTheCat ("Forgetting pain is convenient.Remembering it agonizing.But recovering truth is worth the suffering")
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Masking does not work. I vehemently disagree that masking has done anything to help this situation (I don’t believe there even is a situation).

I’m happy to supply articles, but suffice it to say I pulled all the literature I could find dating back to 1920. There is no evidence that masks work and actually some evidence to suggest they make disease spread worse.

Take off the mask. Breathe free. If you’re worried about getting sick, eat well, get plenty of sleep, and wash your hands.


26 posted on 10/27/2020 7:33:06 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Proud to be an Infidel & a deplorable.)
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To: Leaning Right

Does anybody who is honest really know the truth?


27 posted on 10/27/2020 7:33:20 PM PDT by Destroyer Sailor (Revenge is a dish best served co)
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To: Nifster
Co morbidities particularly those associated with obesity seem to be involved in the worst cases

Very early in this pandemic, Dr. Birx named obesity as one of the greatest risks for a poor outcome if a person got Covid-19. I never heard that reference again. I wonder if it is because it would not be politically correct to "fat shame" someone.

The USA has the highest obesity rate of any country in the world except for a few islands whose total population is less than one million.

Lives could have been saved if people had been motivated to lose weight for fear of dying from Covid. Instead, everyone was told to stay home where lack of exercise probably led to weight gain.

28 posted on 10/27/2020 7:40:40 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: FreeReign

A tent with the flaps down is probably worse than being inside a restaurant where the ventilation system, especially if it has been upgraded for Covid, is probably much better.


29 posted on 10/27/2020 7:43:11 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: surroundedbyblue

> Masking does not work. <

The whole thing is a confusing mess. There was a doctor on my local talk radio station the other day. He said that masking most definitely does work. I can’t believe this guy would lie on purpose. And since he’s an MD, he must have some idea about what he’s talking about.

Yet you can go to a dozen reputable sites on the Internet and read articles written by MDs who say that masking doesn’t work.

Everybody has charts and graphs and diagrams. But the conclusions are all over the place.


30 posted on 10/27/2020 7:43:22 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: JD_UTDallas
Pcr tests are designed to have the error rates to the false positive side of the equation.

PCR tests are designed to help find what you have, not if it's active or not. It's what you get when you come in with generic symptoms and the doc wants to know what is causing your issues. It's not at all accurate for determining if an asymptomatic person has a certain infection or not.
31 posted on 10/27/2020 7:43:31 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I was wondering if you test positive multiple times if they score you as 1 or as the number of positive tests. Got my answer. Thanks.


32 posted on 10/27/2020 7:45:41 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.for corruptiion)
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To: HangnJudge

You got a positive?


33 posted on 10/27/2020 7:46:14 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Why not trust people to want what is best for their business, family, and themselves?

Let freedom ring


34 posted on 10/27/2020 7:48:10 PM PDT by dila813
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To: surroundedbyblue
I agree with this. 100% my experience too: diabetics are the ones dying, deaths are rare, false positive rate is high, and tests are being counted more than once despite originating from one patient. Yep.

I've seen the same in our area of the south ,our local newspaper trying to run the number up with deaths

The ones I known that have died , they had heart problems , old age 70-80 year olds or diabetics . WE all gonna die no way too get out of this world alive......The good Lord will save us

35 posted on 10/27/2020 7:51:46 PM PDT by piroque ("When the SHTF I'm gonna hunker down until all those idiots kill each other. ")
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To: FreeReign
But I've heard that they've made these PCR tests way too sensitive and that there are way too many false positives

They're not made too sensitive, Pcr tests function by taking a sample, and basically multiplying what's in it. Repeat the process multiple times until you have sufficient quantity of what's in there to detect it. Usually run I think 20-30 cycles. The ChinaVirus is being run for 40-45 cycles, which means small fragments left from a months-old infection will be more likely to show up and be counted as a "live infection".

This is why Pcr tests are usually used to diagnose a case when only generic symptoms mean infection identification is very difficult, in order to find out what the patient has. They are not used to "diagnose" if an asymptomatic person might have an infection.
36 posted on 10/27/2020 7:57:19 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: surroundedbyblue

I am a security guard at a shipyard and work around a large number of sorkers. Some have tested positive and have been sent home for two weeks. Just in talking and suggesting to guys who stop to talk a few minutes before and after their shifts, I have come to believe that there are a number of symptomless or minimal symptom cases walking around the yard at any given time. One of the guards tested positive two months ago and died shortly thereafter but he was a bundle of comorbidities and his demise from any of several conditions would not have been surprising. Many of us had WuHan symptoms around the first of March that were not diagnosed as CCP virus even though some like my wife were more serious. She had pneumonia, but no one was worrying about WuHan then and their problems were treated for what the doctor saw. Wife was given Albterol and an inhaler and her pneumonia was cleared up in three days. She was lethargic for a week. I went through several symptoms serially through the course of one day and was lethargic for an afternoon.I did not go to the doc. I did go to work the nights previous and after.


37 posted on 10/27/2020 7:59:11 PM PDT by arthurus (covfefe |*)
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To: Freee-dame

Co morbidities particularly those associated with obesity seem to be involved in the worst cases

It should have been said in the beginning, “America, now is the time to get healthy. Working on that, taking some vitamins like D are the best way to diminish the damage this virus can cause.”


38 posted on 10/27/2020 8:00:27 PM PDT by taterjay
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The shut downs are to control you!


39 posted on 10/27/2020 8:02:43 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: surroundedbyblue

Thanks for the confirmation.

Not that I didn’t trust it, but it’s good to know other professionals are saying, or agreeing with, same.

My only disagreement was the ‘mandating masks’ part.

I see masks, in the general population, doing more harm, than good.


40 posted on 10/27/2020 8:04:25 PM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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