Posted on 08/18/2020 1:03:43 PM PDT by US Navy Vet
Any Predictions on when all of the MASK STUPIDNESS will be done?
You’re misunderstanding what you’re seeing. They didn’t skip phase 1 clinical trials. The results for Moderna’s phase 1 clinical trials are right here: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/07/hopeful-results-phase-1-moderna-covid-vaccine-trial
You have the option to homeschool them or find an alternative school which doesn’t require vaccinations for enrollment. There is no requirement to vaccinate kids. There certainly is often a requirement that kids be vaccinated before other kids (particularly those who can’t get vaccinated due to underlying medical issues or allergies) are exposed to them in close quarters.
It would be a significant liability for a school to knowingly expose kids and adults who are immuno-compromised to those who have chosen to refuse inoculation from preventable - but serious - diseases. Imagine the lawsuits if a child with cancer or an autoimmune disorder were exposed to measles or something similarly serious because a classmate’s parents just decided to ignore decades of studies and science because Facebook told them to. Schools have a responsibility to protect the students entrusted into their care. One of the ways that is done is by ensuring there is maximum herd immunity to preventable diseases.
Don’t like that? Homeschool.
I’m talking about vaccinations saving lives. Not COVID-19 specifically.
Smallpox alone killed 500 million human beings in its last 100 years of existence before a 10 year mass vaccination campaign wiped it off the face of the planet. Let alone all the other things children today don’t have to deal with thanks to vaccines.
Measles, mumps, pertussis (whooping cough), polio, rubella, smallpox, tetanus, vericella, diptheria, and on and on and on. Add up all the lives saved every single year by NOT HAVING these diseases tearing through our communities. Diseases that have been around for thousands of years; some of them continuing to ravage poorer nations. But our kids don’t have to deal with them now because vaccination has given us non-stop herd immunity without anyone having to get sick.
So yes, vaccines have saved millions of American lives. And many of the people raging against vaccines today have the PRIVILEGE of doing so because their life was preserved BY a vaccine.
Leftists started the anti-vax stuff. It was the granola-crunching moms in the 1980s who started blaming every ill on all the “unnatural” stuff. A lot of them moved with their kids into hippie communes to escape all the “unnatural” things in modern society. Like vaccines and clean drinking water.
It just had enough of a conspiracy theory aspect surrounding it that a small but VERY vocal group on the right adopted it decades later. I do have skin in the game. I have friends and family that I don’t want to see dying due to preventable diseases. So when people rail against vaccines because of make-believe reasons that have nothing to do with reality, that represents a threat to the fragile place of relative safety from still-circulating diseases like measles, pertussis, polio, etc.
I don’t want to see those disease making a comeback. A small, but VERY vocal minority do. Not sure why. There was nothing good about polio.
"In 1976, there was a small increased risk of GBS after swine flu vaccination, which was a special flu vaccine for a potential pandemic strain of flu virus. The National Academy of Medicine, formerly known as Institute of Medicine, conducted a scientific review of this issue in 2003 and found that people who received the 1976 swine flu vaccine had an increased risk for developing GBS. The increased risk was approximately one additional case of GBS for every 100,000 people who got the swine flu vaccine. Scientists have several theories about the cause, but the exact reason for this link remains unknown.
There have been several studies of the risk of GBS after flu vaccine and CDC monitors for GBS during each flu season. The data on an association between seasonal influenza vaccine and GBS have been variable from season-to-season. When there has been an increased risk, it has consistently been in the range of 1-2 additional GBS cases per million flu vaccine doses administered.
Studies suggest that it is more likely that a person will get GBS after getting the flu than after vaccination. It is important to keep in mind that severe illness and death are associated with flu, and getting vaccinated is the best way to prevent flu infection and its complications. Source
0.001% of people had a bad side effect to one vaccine 44 years ago. A vaccine that saved many thousands of lives. If that's the worst thing one can find on vaccines, that should be enough to convince anyone that they're quite safe indeed!
In June 1968, no human being had ever walked on the moon. In March of 1927, no one had ever successfully flown an airplane across the Atlantic ocean. In 1860, no one had ever taken a photograph in color. In 1895, no one had ever built a car. History is filled with firsts. The mRNA approach is just new. That doesn't make it bad or evil or impossible. New is just that: new. Maybe it won't work. That's alright, we should still try new things. It's still going through the same phase 1, phase 2, and phase 3 human clinical trials as anything else. In theory, it's perfectly sound. Modern is only 10 years old. That isn't that long to produce a next-generation pharmaceutical product.
"Animal husbandry has been trying for decades. Remember what happened to cats when a vaccine was attempted? It killed every one of them eventually."
I have no idea what this is in reference to. I can find nothing of cats dying from an mRNA vaccine. The humans who took Moderna's vaccine candidate in phase 1 and phase 2 clinical trials are still alive. You know how I know that? Because they got approved for phase 3. However, what I DO find is that a similar approach was used for Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus. Seems it works just fine. Source
"Ever hear of the Cutter incident? or the Swine Flu debacle?"
Yes. Cutter Laboratories was a mom-and-pop pharmaceutical company that produced a number of tainted products because of terrible lab controls. Among them was an improperly produced batch of polio vaccine. The underlying vaccine was fine. This one lab produced a bad batch of it. 5 people died as a result. It's a shame. They're out of business. The "Swine Flu debacle" was 44 years ago and involved 450 people out of 45 million (that's 0.001%) who got the vaccine developing some level of (usually temporary) paralysis (technically GBS). Source 0.001%. 44 years ago.
If all the dirt you have on how bad vaccines are is one bad batch produced at a hole-in-the-wall lab that's long since out of business and a 44 year old vaccine with a bad side effect for 0.001% of the people taking it, that ought to convince MORE people of just how safe vaccines are. Not bad for having saved millions of lives over the course of decades.
"Taking any vaccine that has been rushed to development and deployment in less than 12 mos is suicidal. Take my place and any of my family. Good luck and God help you."
We've been getting quicker at developing vaccines for a long time. It took decades to develop the safe and effective polio vaccine candidate in the 1950s. It took years to develop a safe and effective varicella vaccine candidate in the 1990s. It took 20 months to develop a safe and effective vaccine candidate for SARS 2003. Ebola's vaccine candidate was completed in just 7 months in 2014. Zika's vaccine candidate was ready in 6 months in 2016. And in 2020, we did it in about 2 months for SARS-CoV-2.
This isn't some out-of-the-blue cosmic shift in vaccine candidate development. We've just been getting incrementally better at it for decades. And now, with the tools we have available to strip a virus down to its last gene in hours, we're just better equipped to deal with it.
Every vaccine candidate is going through months of testing with tens of thousands of volunteers. After one (or more) gets approved, you can choose whether you want to take it or wait (or never get it at all). We don't need everyone to take it for it to do its job. We need ENOUGH people to take it so herd immunity is achieved and the SARS-CoV-2 virus can't find new hosts. It will then die out and we can move on with our lives. There's nothing radical about that.
No one is forcing you to get a COVID-19 vaccine.
Just like nobody forced you to get a flu shot last year.
If anyone did try and mandate it, I would gladly stand against that and march in protest of it. President Trump would be right there with us. My voice may not mean much, but his sure does.
Its all symbolic for the symbol minded.
If you can't find what happened to cats with a Corona vaccine then that says a lot. You want to roll the dice with your life go ahead.
I am not an anti-vaxxer by any means but I know enough not to trust a product without a multi year track record.
It just reinforces that my belief that some people are too stupid to be alive
The attempt at Mask Stupidness will be with us for as long as it’s an effective propaganda tool. The end date of it is as simple of taking it off and saying, ‘No more’.
You certainly do have quite a number of ways of calling me stupid. What you’re sorely lacking is a shred of evidence to support your fearmongering.
Childish name-calling neither impresses nor convinces anyone that your argument is correct. But if you want to continue spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt about the vaccine President Trump will likely soon be announcing, you might want to see if CNN is hiring.
Masks are neither effective nor safe:
A summary of the science
Colleen Huber, NMD
July 6, 2020
A review of the peer-reviewed medical literature examines impacts on human health, both immunological, as well as physiological.
The purpose of this paper is to examine data regarding the effectiveness of facemasks, as well as safety data.
The reason that both are examined in one paper is that for the general public as a whole, as well as for every individual, a risk-benefit analysis is necessary to guide decisions on if and when to wear a mask.
https://www.primarydoctor.org/masks-not-effect
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The article has links to 42 different studies and sources. Bottom line conclusion:
The foregoing data show that masks serve more as instruments of obstruction of normal breathing, rather than as effective barriers to pathogens.
Therefore, masks should not be used by the general public, either by adults or children, and their limitations as prophylaxis against pathogens should also be considered in medical settings.
I have seen many doctors assert similar findings. FWIW.
Soon I hope. I just tell the Walmart Employee that lack of oxygen makes me dizzy and then the employee says go right on in-but for the most part, I shop at the Country Mart that doesn’t require masks.
I also make it a point to ask the cashier to tell the manager that I am shopping there instead of Walmart due to Wally’s stupid mask requirement.
I suggest everyone study up on the Cutter Incident—when the polio vaccine was rushed out for mass vaccination.
I was young enough to be part of that—and lucky enough to NOT be in the area receiving the Cutter product.
The next year, I was also lucky enough to avoid the vaccine that had been contaminated by SV40.
And I am not anti-vax. I had the shingles and pneumonia vaccination a few years ago. I believe in informed consent so that people know the pros and cons.
And I didn’t just join FR in May 2020.
then WHY do the vaccine companies have immunity from lawsuits?? Why would they need immunity if they’re safe? I call bullshit to your incessant posting trying to convince us vaccines are all that.
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Preach it! Amen and pass the HQC+zinc+D3.
Perhaps-just joined FR in May?
I am done with them.
We live in NC but are visiting Hilton Head and folks in this region absolutely love their masks. They are wearing them OUTSIDE
The stupid RONA didn’t require a mask outside before. The same in Savannah. A waitress asked me to order in a mask, then I could remove it when my order arrived. Hubby and I don’t usually eat out and I prefer the nights we cook for dinner while on vacation. There’s no vacation from this insanity.
You are correct. I haven’t had the flu since I started taking a multi Vitamin and Vitamin D3 35 years ago. I also practice good hygiene.
Many of the infectious diseases were already being reduced by improved sanitation, and the stats don’t really differentiate what % is due to that improvement.
I have not had most of the vaccines on that list, and also have not had those diseases.
Here in AL they extended the face diaper mandate until 8/31, but you can see the tedium getting to people. More and more folks are leaving them hanging from their rear-view mirrors when they shop, and in stores requiring them, they just get smiled at by clerks when they walk by. One girl at the convenience store up the road said, “I can get fired for not wearing one, but I’m not getting into a fight trying to make anyone else wear one. Ain’t worth my job or a fat lip.”
Here is the study in cats
Early Death after Feline Infectious Peritonitis Virus Challenge due to Recombinant VacciniaVirusImmunization.
“FIP virus(FIPV),has been identified as member of the family Coronaviridae.”
https://jvi.asm.org/content/jvi/64/3/1407.full.pdf
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Thank you for the study link. That explains why I couldn’t find anything about a vaccine killing cats.
The study you’ve linked doesn’t involve a vaccine killing cats. What it does involve is a weak antibody which enables easier cell entry by the virus in question. This is known as antibody-dependent enhancement. In this case, they took a deadly cat disease and created a vaccine that works poorly. The cats were then purposely infected to test the vaccine and it was found that the disease was able to work more quickly on the cats.
So two things to note: 1) this was NOT an mRNA (generation 3) vaccine. It was nothing like Moderna’s vaccine candidate for SARS-CoV-2. This vaccine was created by taking another unrelated virus (the vaccinia virus) and splicing in instructions for the antigen found on the surface of the virus they were trying to vaccinate the cats against (FIP virus). What that means is that when the modified vaccinia virus replicates, the new copies will all have the same glycoprotein on their surface as the FIP virus. The vaccinia virus would itself be harmless to the cats, but their immune system could form a response to the antigens present and potentially give them immunity to the FIP virus. However, this was 1989, so they were stuck with the tools available and apparently made a poor antigen.
2) The vaccine didn’t kill any cats. Those cats would have been just fine with the vaccine. However, once they were infected with the FIP virus, it was found that the virus was more easily able to replicate in their systems and an already fatal infection became fatal more rapidly because of the poor antibodies.
So this study has no implications for Moderna’s vaccine candidate whatsoever and it has no implications for human vaccine trials. This was an experiment done on cats in 1989. It ended poorly. I’m not worried about it and you shouldn’t be either.
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