Flubros and Flubras! Day 143 (a place for Flubros and Flubras)

www.freerepublic.com ^ | 13 August 2020 | Impimp

[impimp]

It’s just the flu, bro.

One thing that was discussed yesterday was the motivation behind the lockdown. Some of the motivators behind it are: 1. Desire to control others, 2. Politicians needing to appear to be doing something, and 3. Big pharma trying to stop herd immunity because they want to sell vaccines. This is all fueled by media fear porn. It is amazing the degree to which a population can go off the rails with idiotic policies as we have done with Covid lockdowns. Reagan said every generation would need to fight for its freedom - we are having our fight now.

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T-cell immunity seems to be a key in fighting CV. Old people have fewer T cells and this is one theory why they are so vulnerable. Hoping to learn more about boosting t-cell immunity - not particularly for Corona but for all viruses in general.

[haffast]

When cracks appear, use GIGO for important decisions.

Sooooo.........

So you believe that all doctors correctly diagnosed their patients?
So you believe that doctors accurately, each time, correctly recorded Covid as the cause of death from all the other of a patient's co-morbidities?
So you believe that all medical providers with the incentive of receiving Federal taxpayer debt money for each Covid case reported reported honest numbers without fraud?
So you believe each testing lab provided accurate, consistant test results and transmitted results in a timely manner?
So you believe that every county in every state used the same methodology to collect data to send to their state health department?
So you believe that all state health departments/governors truthfully transmitted accurate data without any attempt to receive more Federal taxpayer debt money than they were actually entitled?
So you believe that all the countries in the world all of the the above that is applicable took place?
So you believe that all countries concurrently with the pandemic are having presidential elections and no political pressures affect the counts or optics emphazised?
So you believe that comparing countries is apple to apple, and not apples to oranges? (demographics, genetics, physiology, culture, lifestyles, other variables)
So you believe Garbage In doesn't mean Garbage Out?
So you believe that conclusions built on extrapolations of garbage is what life decisions should be based on?
So you believe that those conclusions based on garbage numbers justifies a government to squash freedom "for the greater good"("necessity"), as defined by what benefits them and give them controls over your life, that they are restricted from doing by the Constitution?

[haffast]

the enemy’s battle plan

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[Sicon]

Yeah, we’re halfway through 2020. And what is the total number of deaths in the US this year, compared to the same point in previous years? I live in NJ, the supposed “epicenter” of this deadly, dreaded disease that’s so horrible that most people who have or have had it, don’t even know without being tested, that is so horrible and so deadly that 99.9% of the people who get it, survive. And yet, I do not know a single person who has died of it, or has been hospitalized for it. I do know a nurse who has told me that of the hundreds of COVID patients they’ve seen, the vast majority were discharged after short stays, and those that died were both very old, and had serious comorbidities. That’s because, just like the flu, COVID takes out the elderly and those with weakened immune systems. Again, the only thing remotely unusual or exceptional about COVID, is the fear, panic, and utterly insane, ineffective, and destructive response to it.

You want to wear a mask, shutter yourself in your home, or whatever, be my guest. My problem with this whole thing, from day one, is that those who are scared crapless overt this thing, are all too eager to force their fears, and the insane restrictions they are certain are necessary, on everyone else. No debate, no consideration of other factors, nothing. Just: social distance, wear the mask, and watch your business, livelihood, and life be upended and/or destroyed, or else you’re just a grandma killer!

You are being manipulated. How much longer does this have to go on, and how much more do you need to see to understand that? When they start knocking on doors and forcing people into quarantine, because their “contact tracing” has determined that you *might* be infected? When they force you to receive a vaccine of dubious efficacy? When they tell you that we can never stop wearing masks, can never have large gatherings, can never stop “social distancing” and looking at everyone around us as a potentially murderously “infected” COVID threat?

15 days... We are now at 147 days (or whatever it is). When does it end? What’s the latest criteria to determine when it ends? When there’s a 100% effective vaccine? That will NEVER happen, just as it has never happened for the flu, the common cold (also a rhinovirus, like COVID). When there are no new cases, anywhere, ever? We were sold the “15 days” b.s. almost FIVE MONTHS AGO, supposedly to “flatten the curve.” At some point, that morphed into, “Do what we say, for as long as we say, no matter how ridiculous, no matter how ineffective, no matter how pointless and scientifically questionable, for as long as we say. Oh, and the rules will change on a regular basis, and we have no specific criteria whatsoever to decide when you can all live as free people again.”

So, if you want to cower in fear, just shut up and wear your mask. The rest of us would like to be free to live as we choose, and to take whatever risks we choose. And more than anything, we’d like to be able to do so without a bunch of panicked, ignorant Karens scolding us or reporting us to the very authorities who have been shoveling the fear and b.s. in our faces for the past five months.

Anyone who is so afraid of COVID, can and should stay home, avoid crowds, wear a mask, whatever. But it is immoral, unjust, and truly un-American to force everyone else to do the same.

[haffast]

Is that why Nanzi ripped her copy of the speech?

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She tore President’s Trump’s speech at the 2020 SOTU, Feb 9?

After sitting on, then finally transmitting House Articles of Impeachment on Jan 15. (knowing they would fail)

The same day X-rays of US Covid patient 1 were taken in Washington State, home of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) WHO influenced director/modeler Dr. Christopher Murray(relied on by Birx/Fauci), at the University of Washington.

As the Covid narrative waned BLM protests started while CV reboot 2 is restarted, and now a “Black” woman VP pick begins to reinforce the race and gender card in addition to the masked vote by mail scheme.

Our enemy is deploying all their assets(Russia,Russia,Russia yet again?), foreign and domestic.

It’s about an ELECTION.

[Cletus.D.Yokel]

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[wastedyears]

It was always about the election.

[Yogafist]

Well said.

[dinodino]

I asked a simple question, not looking for a diatribe: how many people do you think have died from COVID-19 in the USA so far this year, and how many globally?

It’s a short, numerical answer. Curious what you think.

[dinodino]

Oh, and you have no idea what I think, or feel. I was in Asia when this exploded, and was following it long before it was even mentioned on the news here. I also don’t want to wear a mask, nor want my economy destroyed.

[Cronos]

Deborah Birx has stated that the numbers are inflated by at least 25%

heck, let's assume it is 40% inflated. So as per your statement it's not 164K but 117K dead in 5 months.

That's still One hundred and Seventeen thousand dead.

[Cronos]

Regardless, even IF the number of deaths is correct, it doesn’t mean that COVID is more deadly, contagious, or different from any other illness. I

Actually it does -- 164K Americans dead

That's nearly the same as the Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936 for 2019 and other illnesses like the flu were 71,000

So yeah, it is more deadly than other illnesses

It's not more contagious - not like measles, but it is more deadly.

That's why more people died of Covid-19 so far this year in the USA than died from measles in the past decade

[Cronos]

It is an established fact that the vast majority of people who have died of COVID (or often, simply WITH COVID), are on average 80 years old

False - in the usa the average age of people dying of COVID is 48

[Cronos]

The difference is that car accidents kill people of ALL ages, whereas COVID almost exclusively kills unhealthy people who, in most cases, are already beyond average life expectancy.< 48 years old is a good time to die in your reckoning?

[Cronos]

99.9% of the people who get it, survive.

That's false - New Jersey had 191K cases and 15K deaths - so more like 92% survive. 8% die

[Cronos]

When they tell you that we can never stop wearing masks, can never have large gatherings, can never stop “social distancing” - sigh... in Vietnam, in Greece etc. people followed the rules strictly for 6 weeks. After that, there are now gatherings, masks only in enclosed public spaces etc and slowly the rules are lifted.

Pain for a short time to safeguard the economy.

[21twelve]

That’s a very interesting chart.

I don’t understand the comments on the chart - it almost looks like those comments belong in some news article hyping the toll of the virus. The data don’t fit the comments.

comment: relatively small share of over 80 year olds..
Data: majority of deaths are over 80.

Also interesting in that the USA has a higher number of deaths below 80 than the other countries, but then is the lowest for the over 80 crowd.

I imagine a lot of that is just demographics. IIRC they were saying how Italy was hit so hard because they have so many elderly. I suppose some of it may also be related to health care facilities and attitudes for the elderly.

[Cronos]

the USA has a higher number of deaths below 80 than the other countries, but then is the lowest for the over 80 crowd.

No

1. This is for 5 countries only, not over all countries

2. It shows that USA has the lower relative proportion of deaths over 80 - meaning proportionally more below 80 (and below 50) people die in the USA compared to Western Europe. If you extend this to other countries then the different is even higher.

[Sicon]

Pain for a short time to safeguard the economy.

Sure, you go ahead and keep telling yourself that.

[Cronos]

I’m not just telling myself that - I’m looking at what happened in Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Greece, Slovakia, Poland, Portugal etc.