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What say you, Vaccine Proponents?

Do you support the current and continuous use of dead babies in vaccine development?

Do you support Planned Parenthood baby part sales?

Does a baby have to die for you to live in your New World Order religion?

1 posted on 07/16/2020 11:44:22 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Not a vaccine proponent and definitely do NOT advocate killing babies for any reason, including this one.


2 posted on 07/16/2020 11:47:46 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Moloch worship is alive and well in modern times.


3 posted on 07/16/2020 11:54:21 AM PDT by Redcitizen (Nobody needs a 10 round magazine. You need a 30 round magazine. Yeah)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

We had vaccines before fetal tissue, what changed besides a commie mindset?


4 posted on 07/16/2020 11:56:03 AM PDT by BuffaloJack ("Security does not exist in nature. Everything has risk." Henry Savage)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Two things:

1) It’s implied here that there’s continual harvesting of fetal tissue to develop vaccines. That is not the case. There are a few major lines of stem cells that are used. HEK-293, a kidney cell line widely used in research and industry that comes from a fetus aborted in 1972, WI-38, which was from lung tissue from two fetuses aborted in 1962, and PER.C6, a proprietary cell line owned by a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson, developed from retinal cells from an 18-week-old fetus aborted in 1985.

I completely understand having objections to using them, and I agree with those objections on moral grounds. But let’s be clear what we’re actually talking about here. Nobody is killing babies in 2020 to make vaccines. Further, those abortions were NOT related to vaccines or medical research. They were abortions that happened, and then some stem cells were taken after the fact because of special properties that make them especially easy to utilize for specific things.

2) Most vaccines are now available without any development or association with stem cells from abortions. Only Hepatitis A and the rubella vaccines have no ethical alternatives licensed by the FDA. There’s a company in Japan that makes ethical alternatives (using animal cells), but it isn’t licensed here, so you would have to travel to Japan to get them.

Let’s be open and honest about the issue. There’s absolutely moral and ethical concerns and it’s important to address those. But it’s important to be completely honest as well.


5 posted on 07/16/2020 11:57:56 AM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest
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As I understand it the Moderna vaccine does not use fetal tissue. vaccines and the use of fetal tissue are 2 different things. Vaccines are not evil and have spared many children deadly as debilitating disease


6 posted on 07/16/2020 11:59:26 AM PDT by Mom MD
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The last “fetal tissue is the answer song and dance” was it was the breakthrough for treating everything from MS, Parkinson’s, ALS, AIDS to dandruff, hair loss and bad breath.
None of it was true.
Now they want to tell us fetal tissue vaccine it is the answer, a magic bullet, for to a dreaded pandemic that has a 99.96% recovery rate and requires testing to see if you have it.


7 posted on 07/16/2020 11:59:28 AM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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Theres a couple of cell lines generated from aborted tissue years and years ago they’re testing the virus on. Still kind of creepy but not like they’re dumping dead babies in a vat at this minute.


8 posted on 07/16/2020 11:59:55 AM PDT by jarwulf
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IF WE ARE TO SAVE PEOPLE WE MUST KILL CHILDREN

Right. Even if true, what is the point of “saving people” if we kill our own to do so. The “logic” of total depravity.


9 posted on 07/16/2020 12:02:46 PM PDT by Persevero (I am afraid propriety has been set at naught. - Jane Austen)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Full term child born. Donate placental materiial


14 posted on 07/16/2020 12:09:31 PM PDT by BigEdLB (BigedLB, Russian BOT, At your service)
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I have no trouble about vaccines for some illnesses, but do have a problem when ANY of them use *fetal remains*, IOW, aborted baby carcasses.


15 posted on 07/16/2020 12:11:12 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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These people are in a lot of trouble unless they repent of this accursed cannibalist "science". Yes, it is accursed.

And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.~Psalm 106:38

For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be~Psalm 139:13-16

20 posted on 07/16/2020 12:15:04 PM PDT by 444Flyer (John 3, Revelation 20, Joshua 24:15, 1 Kings 18:16-39, Pick a side...)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

I only remember reading articles saying that because fetal cells are hardwired to multiply very rapidly, they cause cancer and that is why they were allegedly replaced with adult stem cells in science.

I thought all medical use of fetal and embryoic stem cells was outlawed a long time ago. I was horrified when I read this and wonder how much it has to do with the number of cases of cancer in young adults and children.


22 posted on 07/16/2020 12:17:16 PM PDT by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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“...but U.S. scientists have been using such cells for decades...”

So because they have been doing this “for decades” makes it right in their twisted minds?

This does not absolve them of their moral and ethical responsibility TODAY.

24 posted on 07/16/2020 12:32:06 PM PDT by 444Flyer (John 3, Revelation 20, Joshua 24:15, 1 Kings 18:16-39, Pick a side...)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

The little babies are in heaven . . . . the scientists need a Bible lesson.


25 posted on 07/16/2020 12:37:36 PM PDT by Maudeen (www.thereishopeinJesus.com)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

EVIL. Anyone who buys or uses them is as guilty as the abortionist that murdered those babies.


26 posted on 07/16/2020 12:44:04 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Politics is the continuation of war by other means. --Clausewitz)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

So before abortions were alowed, how were vaccines developed?


32 posted on 07/16/2020 1:10:09 PM PDT by antidemoncrat (uff)
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Do they have any working even yet?


38 posted on 07/16/2020 2:34:12 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

In addition to the immoral nature of this, there are still very real questions about the safety of injecting trace amounts of human DNA into the system. The powers that be say there is unlikely to be any adverse effects, but there are doctors who believe the increase in autoimmune diseases may be connected. Of course, I don’t know what the truth is, but I am very concerned that absolutely any criticism or questioning of the vaccine industry is strictly forbidden by the mainstream and relentlessly mocked. We do need more open research about these issues, especially since we are talking about nearly 100% of children getting all or most of the dozens upon dozens of injections.


40 posted on 07/16/2020 4:14:26 PM PDT by An Appeal to Heaven
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To: Jan_Sobieski

So would the Roberts court support a conscience exception to forcible vaccination from Fauci and Gates?


42 posted on 07/16/2020 4:36:59 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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