Armed only. Why be there as unarmed monitor? You’re too likely to become a victim.
More and more people aren’t waiting.
The Columbus statues, the Alamo, those folks in Idaho...they ain’t waiting to be deputized.
Good for them.
I’ve become less trusting of the police and sheriff’s because of the powers that be. A well regulated militia is more appealing.
For one thing, cops should stop getting involved in politics and instead drop their badge and tell the politicians to solve their political unwill to solve corruption, crime and terrorism problems. Instead of begging/negotiating for jobs at the ChAZ or for more benefits each time things go out of hand, or for media recognition kneeling like dumba$$es, they should sense the responsibility that the political approach in this need to be fundamentally changed so that they can focus back on being proud of being able to do their job well. The goal of the cop should be to regain his respect and dignity before a token pay or benefits raise as a pacifier by politians who tell them to do something while telling them to not do their job the way they do it because of political repercutions.
We are in a Vietnam situation before crime and the police is in the crossfire. There is need for mutual support between police and willing militia civilians combating crimes and evil foreign politics invading and giving illegal orders to police. China is fully behind antifa as seen in their twitter which since then has been taken down. This is an untenable political solution for a dignified cop to get into.
Of course this should happen.
At my advanced age, I would have no problem holding down a desk.
But the short answer is: Yes, and it depends.
There are some environments where law enforcement just isn't the right tool. Case by case. Those are extreme situations: you are not arresting anyone, you are restoring order by the generous application of deadly force. This wisdom is knowing when to use it.
LA Riots: there was no application for law enforcement in Compton for about three days. it required men with rifles and the California Guard provided 6,000 of them. They did not don riot gear because absorbing violence at that stage was wholly inappropriate.
But this would be a bad example in Seattle. A governor that doesn't want to use force and an adversary that wants the President to use it. But what happens when the Sheriff won't either?
Folks, that is the genius of the militia Dr Edwin Vieira speaks of: the Militia of the States, which includes the unorganized militia in 10 USC Sect 246.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good idea, but i’d be armed or a no show. And a no show if im just supposted to stand by and guard the rioters.
YES !!
One of the very real issues out there is DAs who are not prosecuting criminals, not requiring bail for rioters, prosecuting cops for legal use of deadly force, etc. There are. Any really bad, non-law-and-order DAs out there right now.
Make sure your DA is a good guy before joining up with the sheriff, and be careful if you cross county lines. Currently in the Atlanta metro area, suburban counties and municipalities will not render mutual aid to the Atlanta PD, because of Fulton County DA Paul Howard and his political prosecutions of APD cops. Just to give a specific example.
Of course. When the mob comes for you, organized citizen defense through the sheriff’s office is the final stand. The sheriff, if he is smart, should be organizing right now, deputizing citizens, putting them on a rotary call up list so when the flash mob comes he and his deputies are ready to go.
We already do and have for as long as I’ve been alive, It’s called a Posse. We’ve got 30 members in the Sheriff’s Posse, 5 are ex or retired Sheriff’s Department and others are citizens just wanting to help. When called up we have the full authority of the Sheriff’s department.
Mostly we just help in local football games and rodeo’s for crowd and traffic control and we also ride Grand Entry in the rodeo’s and get called out when the Department needs help in search and rescue and law enforcement duties. 5 of us are still Peace Officers but all have arrest authority and are armed when on duty. When the SO is short on manpower we patrol the county as well.
What do you think? How can we do this? What are the practical implications? Is it even legal?
I think your post is one of the most timely statements made on this forum this year. The short answer to your questions are YES, this can and should be done. Having a little background at this, class is in session...
Let’s start with the 2nd Amendment as written:
“...A well-regulated militia, necessary for the security of a free state; the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
2020 Translation: In order to have a free state, you’ll need a well-regulated militia. In order to have a militia, the people need to keep and bear arms. (Note, if anyone thinks that didn’t apply to civilians, read the 3rd Amendment and explain how one would prevent a soldier from being quartered at your home without your permission, but I digress...)
This is not only in the national Constitution, but most state Constitutions as well. In most cases, the ‘militia’ was defined as all persons not in the ‘organized’ militia (national guard) between a certain age range. In fact in some states, there was law stating the Sheriff in each county had to maintain a garrison for each able bodied male of voting age. I’m sure much of that has been removed from the books.
This country was designed to be protected by a civilian defense. The Constitutional authors were even against a standing army.
Back to the Sheriff and the jurisdiction thereof...
Being the highest law enforcement authority in the local political jurisdiction, most Sheriff’s reserve the right to call up (deputize) persons if/when needed from within their jurisdiction. Some states have provisions on who can be called, while others may require POST or other kinds of certifications. But in an emergency, a Sheriff can wave those provisions for a time, as has happened in the recent past(natural disasters come to mind). Check the laws in your state/county, or if you have a good relationship with a Peace Officer, have them over for coffee.
The Sheriff can also call up persons from outside their jurisdiction but from within their state when applicable. But many states have strict guidelines on this type of action.
With the current insurrection now taking place, and war against law enforcement as a whole. now may be the perfect time for Real Americans to forge a partnership with their Sheriff’s office. Citizens should gather locally in order to lobby their Sheriff for a meeting. In this political climate, I might suggest the meeting NOT be public at first. The goal would be to first gauge the Sheriff’s attitude toward your stated goals, and their criteria for deputization (e.g. background checks, passing physicals, etc) . In certain non-metropolitan areas of this country, you might find a welcome ear.
Remember: Some of these Sheriffs were forced to release known criminals from jail before their time. That can’t be sitting well with them.
The Sheriff and citizens must agree on training, and regular musters. This will of course, inconvenience some people. The Sheriff may also insist on a minimum arsenal of tools that must be provided (and documented) by the civilian deputy. This can become a bone of contention, but keep the bigger picture in mind.
I would present the potential need for the civilian deputy as follows:
* protection of government offices and surrounding properties
* protection of Houses of Worship and Historic properties (e.g cemeteries, historic landmarks, etc.)
* assistance in clearing roads
* assistance during mass casualty events
* riot prevention and deterrence
* coordination for local neighborhood watch programs
In today’s climate, every sheriff should expect and have contingency plans for the above scenarios until hostilities cease. The key is to talk among yourselves first to present a sound, reasonable proposal to the Sheriff. If the elected official truly believe ALL LIVES MATTER, your presentation would become a welcome sight, not to mention a morale boost to those behind the shield.
Years ago, unorganized militias formed due to government overreaction, and the potential disarmament of American citizens. Today, it’s about survival as a nation and our Constitution as a whole; a much easier sell. Each person joining this cause must take the oath to Protect and Defend the Constitution against all enemies - foreign and domestic.
We have a domestic enemy in our midst and on the the warpath. At some point, we must engage, else there be no safe haven. We know this. The President knows this. The Sheriffs should know this. Now would be a great time then to join forces with the civilian population.
Hope this answers many of your questions.
Class dismissed.
jimjohn - OUT
My husband and I recently moved from a small town in a red state to a blue city in the same state.
I would trust the small town sheriff. I would not trust the police commissioner of this city.
Firm yex!
Most people do not know the difference between the Sheriff and the local police. One in the same right? Nope...
Sheriffs are elected and not selected. Sheriffs try to stick as close as possible to the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. While many local police do not.
Here are a couple good links.
Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association
and this interview is worth your time.
The Sheriffs are the good guys for sure.