Posted on 06/23/2020 9:03:27 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
Given increasing incidents of vandalism and violence in our country, it seems prudent that the common people, who have an interest in maintaining the peace and keeping order, exercise the authority to guard and protect lives and property beyond their own homes, and do so in conjunction with higher levels of enforcement.
To that end, I would suggest exploring the possibility of having local sheriffs vet and deputize able citizens, so that they may act in support of law enforcement more tangibly. That is to say, authorize them to stand guard in places where vandals are more inclined to wreak havoc, such as cemeteries and statues, and other public landmarks that trigger the left of late.
They need not be armed with lethal force, but they need be diligent to witness, record, and report as needed. If allowed, some non-lethal deterrents such as sounds (classical music) or pepper spray may also be of help.
I would very much like to see a groundswell when it comes to confronting civil unrest and supporting proper law enforcement. Moreover I am convinced the population of “normals” in our midst is more than adequate to the task.
What do you think? How can we do this? What are the practical implications? Is it even legal?
Great. I would encourage you to approach him and inquire as to whether a plan is in place in case things get more dicey in your neighborhood, that plan being to enlist law-abiding citizens to aid with eyes, ears, and whatever is needed to maintain the peace and dispel the fomenters of civil unrest.
Good idea, but i’d be armed or a no show. And a no show if im just supposted to stand by and guard the rioters.
Oh, no. No standing by to guard rioters.
Again, the idea is to station law abiding citizens in places where vandalism is likely to occur so they may deter the less well-organized elements.
Vetting and training would be a part of it. I would enjoy being able, legally, to tag these miscreants with pepper balls if they so much as touch a piece of public property with intent to damage, but I need to do that with authority backing me up.
I lived in both Idaho and Texas, so I know how they react. No nonsense people. 👍😁
My kind of people :)
I think they would like me.
And they’d get a kick out of my accent the first few months :)
To launch off into matters without a line of authority is less conducive to civil order. This is why vigilante justice is discouraged in a Constitutional Republic. No problem if one wants to be armed and defending, but to do so outside one’s own home requires a line of authority beyond oneself, emotions, and personal sense of justice. The idea here is to widen the scope of law enforcement quickly and effectively without infringing upon the very things we are protecting.
whatever.
you sound like a boy scout to be honest
The real world is happening.
Not a Websters definition
I made it all the way to Tenderfoot.
How far have you made it as a loose cannon?
YES !!
“Under the terms of the 2nd Amendment, I am calling out the Unorganized Militia. I ask all former military to register with their local police or county sheriff. If you’re fresh off the battlefields of the Sandbox, you can serve on tactical duty. If you’re too old for tactical duty, you can hold down a desk and free up someone younger for tactical duty.”
Yes! I’m 71 with heart disease from 50 years of bad living but I’m expert rifleman from way back and retired warrant officer. Order me to take up arms and hold this position until relieved, and I’ll fight all day! No bravado, I mean this.
One of the very real issues out there is DAs who are not prosecuting criminals, not requiring bail for rioters, prosecuting cops for legal use of deadly force, etc. There are. Any really bad, non-law-and-order DAs out there right now.
Make sure your DA is a good guy before joining up with the sheriff, and be careful if you cross county lines. Currently in the Atlanta metro area, suburban counties and municipalities will not render mutual aid to the Atlanta PD, because of Fulton County DA Paul Howard and his political prosecutions of APD cops. Just to give a specific example.
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Could mean the difference between going to jail or not, even if defending oneself.
Being unarmed make you an automatic victim.
Of course. When the mob comes for you, organized citizen defense through the sheriff’s office is the final stand. The sheriff, if he is smart, should be organizing right now, deputizing citizens, putting them on a rotary call up list so when the flash mob comes he and his deputies are ready to go.
We already do and have for as long as I’ve been alive, It’s called a Posse. We’ve got 30 members in the Sheriff’s Posse, 5 are ex or retired Sheriff’s Department and others are citizens just wanting to help. When called up we have the full authority of the Sheriff’s department.
Mostly we just help in local football games and rodeo’s for crowd and traffic control and we also ride Grand Entry in the rodeo’s and get called out when the Department needs help in search and rescue and law enforcement duties. 5 of us are still Peace Officers but all have arrest authority and are armed when on duty. When the SO is short on manpower we patrol the county as well.
What do you think? How can we do this? What are the practical implications? Is it even legal?
I think your post is one of the most timely statements made on this forum this year. The short answer to your questions are YES, this can and should be done. Having a little background at this, class is in session...
Let’s start with the 2nd Amendment as written:
“...A well-regulated militia, necessary for the security of a free state; the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
2020 Translation: In order to have a free state, you’ll need a well-regulated militia. In order to have a militia, the people need to keep and bear arms. (Note, if anyone thinks that didn’t apply to civilians, read the 3rd Amendment and explain how one would prevent a soldier from being quartered at your home without your permission, but I digress...)
This is not only in the national Constitution, but most state Constitutions as well. In most cases, the ‘militia’ was defined as all persons not in the ‘organized’ militia (national guard) between a certain age range. In fact in some states, there was law stating the Sheriff in each county had to maintain a garrison for each able bodied male of voting age. I’m sure much of that has been removed from the books.
This country was designed to be protected by a civilian defense. The Constitutional authors were even against a standing army.
Back to the Sheriff and the jurisdiction thereof...
Being the highest law enforcement authority in the local political jurisdiction, most Sheriff’s reserve the right to call up (deputize) persons if/when needed from within their jurisdiction. Some states have provisions on who can be called, while others may require POST or other kinds of certifications. But in an emergency, a Sheriff can wave those provisions for a time, as has happened in the recent past(natural disasters come to mind). Check the laws in your state/county, or if you have a good relationship with a Peace Officer, have them over for coffee.
The Sheriff can also call up persons from outside their jurisdiction but from within their state when applicable. But many states have strict guidelines on this type of action.
With the current insurrection now taking place, and war against law enforcement as a whole. now may be the perfect time for Real Americans to forge a partnership with their Sheriff’s office. Citizens should gather locally in order to lobby their Sheriff for a meeting. In this political climate, I might suggest the meeting NOT be public at first. The goal would be to first gauge the Sheriff’s attitude toward your stated goals, and their criteria for deputization (e.g. background checks, passing physicals, etc) . In certain non-metropolitan areas of this country, you might find a welcome ear.
Remember: Some of these Sheriffs were forced to release known criminals from jail before their time. That can’t be sitting well with them.
The Sheriff and citizens must agree on training, and regular musters. This will of course, inconvenience some people. The Sheriff may also insist on a minimum arsenal of tools that must be provided (and documented) by the civilian deputy. This can become a bone of contention, but keep the bigger picture in mind.
I would present the potential need for the civilian deputy as follows:
* protection of government offices and surrounding properties
* protection of Houses of Worship and Historic properties (e.g cemeteries, historic landmarks, etc.)
* assistance in clearing roads
* assistance during mass casualty events
* riot prevention and deterrence
* coordination for local neighborhood watch programs
In today’s climate, every sheriff should expect and have contingency plans for the above scenarios until hostilities cease. The key is to talk among yourselves first to present a sound, reasonable proposal to the Sheriff. If the elected official truly believe ALL LIVES MATTER, your presentation would become a welcome sight, not to mention a morale boost to those behind the shield.
Years ago, unorganized militias formed due to government overreaction, and the potential disarmament of American citizens. Today, it’s about survival as a nation and our Constitution as a whole; a much easier sell. Each person joining this cause must take the oath to Protect and Defend the Constitution against all enemies - foreign and domestic.
We have a domestic enemy in our midst and on the the warpath. At some point, we must engage, else there be no safe haven. We know this. The President knows this. The Sheriffs should know this. Now would be a great time then to join forces with the civilian population.
Hope this answers many of your questions.
Class dismissed.
jimjohn - OUT
As in the past, in time of need, the militia was called up to defend their land. People of honor again rose to the call to protect against enemies of freedom.
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