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FORD’S POWERSHIFT DEBACLE
Hackaday ^ | 3 June 2020 | Lewin Day

Posted on 06/04/2020 7:12:55 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

What in the world are you thinking going with a dry clutch?

Most dual-clutches, particularly those for high-torque applications, use a wet clutch system, where the clutch plates are bathed in oil. Ford wished to maximise fuel efficiency, and instead chose to go with a dry clutch system. The dry clutch eliminates pumping losses from the oil in the transmission.

With millions of vehicles fitted with the Powershift transmission... In many cases, Ford initially declined to offer refunds or replacement vehicles at no cost...

The high cost of repeated transmission repairs also weighed on Ford in warranty costs, estimated to be to the tune of $700 million.

It’s likely that Ford has had a stern, hard look at internal policies in the years since to determine just why such a defective transmission was allowed through to production.

(Excerpt) Read more at hackaday.com ...


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And do not even ask about my Expedition with the F*N TWO Piece Spark Plugs //**## !!!

Notorious Ford V8 spark plugs need an extended warranty https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/04/ford-triton-v8-engine-spark-plug-tsb/index.htm

AND I USED TO LIKE FORD!

1 posted on 06/04/2020 7:12:55 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Is there a list somewhere that of all the vehicles where this transmission was used?..............


2 posted on 06/04/2020 7:15:33 AM PDT by Red Badger (Always trust God............but wash your hands......................)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I hope my Elantra GT Sport tranny is designed significantly better than Ford’s. It is a 7 speed DCT dry design as well. I haven’t been hearing of issues on Hyundai forum boards, knock on wood.


3 posted on 06/04/2020 7:17:13 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: DUMBGRUNT

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a27438193/ford-powershift-transmission-problems/

The 2011–2016 Ford Fiesta and the 2012–2016 Focus have a dual-clutch automatic transmission that is the subject of a class-action lawsuit and many individual lawsuits.

Nearly two million people who have owned or leased one of the cars with the PowerShift transmission stand to get at least some repayment for their trouble.

The settlement is currently being appealed in federal court.


4 posted on 06/04/2020 7:17:19 AM PDT by Red Badger (Always trust God............but wash your hands......................)
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I should have said that I have not heard of Hyundai DCT issues since a recall of 2016 models for a tranny controller module software upgrade. My Hyundai is 2018.


5 posted on 06/04/2020 7:23:30 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Quality is job one.


6 posted on 06/04/2020 7:26:55 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Who woulda known that a dry clutch transmission is not a good idea? No matter how well designed there will soon be issues. The small potential fuel savings will never be worth the issues that sooner or later will crop up.

Not that I will ever have to worry about this. I do not own nor will I ever own any of these little grocery-getter gas sippers. My next vehicle will be a 2022 C8 Corvette.


7 posted on 06/04/2020 7:29:04 AM PDT by ocrp1982
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My son’s Ford Escape transmission just quit one day earlier this year. Got a new transmission under warranty, but it took close to a month and the bastards wouldn’t cover the rental car for the whole time.

My daughter’s Escape had horrible transmission problems and the dealer accused her of towing a heavy load in the Rocky Mountains. She’s never towed anything and I don’t even think her car has a hitch. The transmission body and shuttle valves were all varnished up. They were going to charge her $1,400 for the repair until I got uninvolved and they cut the price in half.

Daughter #2 had an Escape in Hawaii. Horrible transmission problems. It would just stop transmitting power to the wheels when pulling out from a stop — a deadly accident waiting to happen. MANY other problems — a constant headache and money sink. She just bought a Suburu.

The sunroof on my Expedition failed. Yes, the sunroof. I took it to the dealer before the warranty expired, but the were all booked up. I scheduled an appointment about three weeks out. The factory warranty expired during that three weeks and Ford would not cover the $3,000 repair under warranty. I couldn’t get the extended warranty company to cover it until I contacted the dealer where I bought it. They got the extended warranty company to agree to pay it.

Long-time Ford family, but no more. Unbelievably crappy products and terrible customer service.


8 posted on 06/04/2020 7:29:42 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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>> It’s likely that Ford has had a stern, hard look at internal policies in the years since to determine just why such a defective transmission was allowed through to production.

I think the answer is right here, from earlier in the article:

>> The dry clutch eliminates pumping losses from the oil in the transmission.

Over-ambitious mileage requirements from an EPA full of eco-extremists were a part of the root causes of this debacle. This is a hidden cost of over-regulation.


9 posted on 06/04/2020 7:29:54 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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Uh, there are millions of dry clutch transmissions out there. Most manual transmission cars have dry clutches. Chances are every car you’ve ever been in that had a manual transmission, had a dry clutch.


10 posted on 06/04/2020 7:32:11 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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Over-ambitious mileage requirements from an EPA full of eco-extremists were a part of the root causes of this debacle. This is a hidden cost of over-regulation.

Yup, and that is also the cause of those ridiculous CVTs that are in so many new cars.
11 posted on 06/04/2020 7:32:59 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Red Badger

I hope my Fiesta ST with the manual Getrag six speed isn’t affected by this /s


12 posted on 06/04/2020 7:33:51 AM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

We had a 95 Mustang with Ford’s notorious 3.8L V6. It went through half a dozen head gaskets while it was still under warranty. Every time the dealer would try to deny that there was a problem even after we pulled into their lot on a warm afternoon with steam coming out of the exhaust pipe and engine oil in the cooling system. We were basically a Ford family also... not so much these days.


13 posted on 06/04/2020 7:40:58 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Ford should have licensed a CVT design instead or licensed the small six-speed automatic that Hyundai was working on at the time, which arrived with the Hyundai Accent in 2011.


14 posted on 06/04/2020 7:43:29 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Yep, We bought several Triton powered ford 3/4 ton trucks as service vehicles in the last decade. If you have to get on one , that has over 30k on it get ready to blow the #4 plug from its head. Happened over and over on multiple trucks . Got butkas from Ford on it. We pulled the heads on one our selves. (we are not mechanics) Had the spark plug threads hogged out , re threaded them and in stalled different plugs . Lost a ton of gas mileage but fixed the issue. Not cost effective at all. We have since cycled over to GM trucks. Getting VERY good service out of the vortex engines. A few little issues here and there but much happier. Mine had 245k on it and is still in service with one of our techs. Driving a new Colorado now. 4 cylinder is under powered and the jury is still out. Great mileage though. We will see.


15 posted on 06/04/2020 7:48:18 AM PDT by ping jockey (The only difference between the Federal government and organized crime is one's legal and one ain't)
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Gee, our old LaSalle ran great ...


16 posted on 06/04/2020 7:49:11 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: AndyJackson

HA, “Ford has a better idea” Bwwwaaaahhhaaaahhahhahahaa


17 posted on 06/04/2020 7:49:25 AM PDT by ping jockey (The only difference between the Federal government and organized crime is one's legal and one ain't)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Ford destroyed my beautiful 2010 Explorer with their shit “Exploder” transmission, which they will neither admit nor replace. I despise them beyond words.


18 posted on 06/04/2020 7:58:09 AM PDT by montag813
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Then there is the internal water pump issue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvUr_k4j9gc
19 posted on 06/04/2020 7:58:11 AM PDT by CtBigPat (2020 is becoming everything 2012 aspired to be.)
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to determine just why such a defective transmission was allowed through to production.

They probably thought it was better for "the environment", so to hell with working well.

20 posted on 06/04/2020 8:00:17 AM PDT by libertylover (Socialism will always look good to those who think they can get something for nothing.)
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