Posted on 03/17/2020 8:05:53 AM PDT by Paladin2
"The coronavirus will be here for “many, many months” and the country must decide on a path forward, infectious disease specialist Michael Osterholm told CNBC on Tuesday.
The world is still far from rolling out a vaccine, Osterholm noted, and until then, COVID-19 will present a threat to everyone, especially those most at risk.
“We have to continue to consider what it means to die from this virus. It’s a very, very difficult and tragic situation. We also have to have a conversation about how we’re going to live with it. We have to figure that out,” the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota said in a “Squawk Box” interview. “Do we envision an America that for the next 18 months will be in complete lockdown?”
The virus has infected more than 4,661 people across the U.S., killing at least 85 people, according to Johns Hopkins University. The rapid spread of the virus has prompted local and state officials to roll out stringent mitigation policies. "
They always want us on a collective war footing over this or that. Something about being “all in it together” and of course directed from the top that they can’t get enough of. Global warming scratches that same itch.
I agree with this 100%.
At this point I am of the attitude that me and my family are doing our part to ensure the healthcare system does not break. If it means we make sacrifices, we make sacrifices.
Frankly, I am growing weary of the bitching. Suck it up, boys. Let’s take care of this shit and then fix the damage when it’s over.
“We have to continue to consider what it means to die from this virus.”
Umm, it means you’re dead.
They certainly appear to be in a damage mitigation stance. With some side shots at reinforcing the economy.
When this is all over there will be a LOT of embarrassed people. A chunk of people that probably need to be jailed. And, I bet, even a handful of assholes that need to be hanged.
A good treatment may be right under our nose. Gregory Rigano, a reporter (I think), was on with Laura Ingraham last night and he claims that a clinical trial shows that hydrocloroquine and chloroquine, 5 cents a tablet, which are used to prevent and treat certain kinds of malaria seem to cure the coronavirus in just a few days. If true, we need to fast track past the FDA and begin giving this medicine to the sick and also, as a prophylactic for those most vulnerable for severe illness, should they contract that flu. This medication has already been in use for a long time for malaria and other diseases so we know it is relatively safe. The low cost is also a Godsend. A vaccine is a long way off. We need something now and a lot of people have been praying that something would come about.
Same way we’ve lived with all the other flus since forever.
AC predicts there will (soon) be emerging defiance to public orders as certain business and individuals begin to engage in civil disobedience.
I'll take it one step further and predict which group will lead the movement: 20-30 somethings. All their lives have been devoted to maintaining the status quo of the Boomer generation; their societal rules, their SS/Medicare/pensions/401k, there escalated real estate prices.
Now, when just when the younger generation's lives are getting started, as they form families and begin earning incomes as their careers develop, they are supposed to put it all aside and once again sacrifice their well being, their futures, for the 60+ plus generation? How long are they to suffer under the yoke?
Mark my words, even if fatalities reach projected levels, that still means the vast majority get to live - their lives, their families, their aspirations. Maybe that 95% forms a new voting coalition that chooses freedom.
Secondly, see my post above: The revolution is going to come from the newly enfranchised (voting) generation. Within a few weeks, the debate about going forward with government enforced gulags vs letting nature take its course is going to reach a boiling point.
Trump would be well served to consider this emerging sentiment. A combination of locked down border controls, quarantine/support services for those infected, a return of outsourced mfg back to US shores, and resumption of normal American economic/social life is what will win the 2020 election.
Ahh yes...the NEW new normal
We will develop an immunity, and I’m convinced most Americans already have because this didn’t come in late Jan.
It came in mid-December. Just survey how many people you know hat the ‘flu’ in December. A shocking number of my friends/wife’s friends. Far more than normal. China had this in mid-Nov., so it’s entirely likely this was in the US by the 2nd week of Dec. at the latest. And what happened? It was so weak, no one noticed it till the Chicoms ANNOUNCED it. That is, 99.99% of Americans survived it and now are immune.
It was called the Spanish Flu because of WWI. Wartime censors wanted to maintain morale and Spain was neutral in that war. So it was decided to name it the Spanish Flu to create a false impression that Spain was especially hard hit by the virus, or so I have read. The 2009 recurrence of H1N1, was called the Swine Flu because it originated in pigs and jumped to humans.
Thanks for the info. We’ve learned to live with numerous viruses and their outbreaks. This one will be no different. We’ll learn to adjust to this one when future outbreaks occur.
I had something in Jan that made me go to Urgent Care to get an inhaler and a Chest X-Ray.
I suspect it was something else given the current trouble in Italy.
When the serum test for Corona WuHuFlu anti-bodies becomes available, I may go find out if it passed through me.
IN comparison, the following from CDC Oct. 2018 - May 2019:
Preliminary Estimates of Influenza Burden
CDC uses the cumulative rates of influenza-associated hospitalizations reported through FluSurv-NET and a mathematical model**** to estimate the number of persons who have been symptomatically ill with influenza who had a medical visit, were hospitalized, or died related to influenza. Using data available from October 1, 2018, to May 4, 2019, CDC estimates that influenza virus infection has caused 37.4 million–42.9 million symptomatic illnesses; 17.3 million–20.1 million medical visits; 531,000–647,000 hospitalizations; and 36,400–61,200 deaths in the United States.
Note: This has a lot of information, and while I didn't read it all I dud see where they tested for H1N1 flu in the 2018-2019 flu season. Here is a blurb that might interest you:
Public health laboratories tested 80,993 specimens during September 30, 2018–May 18, 2019; among these specimens, 42,303 (52.2%) were positive for influenza viruses, including 40,624 (96.0%) that were positive for influenza A and 1,679 (4.0%) for influenza B. Among the 38,995 seasonal influenza A viruses subtyped, 22,084 (56.6%) were influenza A(H1N1)pdm09, and 16,991 (43.6%) were influenza A(H3N2). Influenza B lineage information was available for 1,105 (65.8%) influenza B viruses; 406 (36.7%) of those were B/Yamagata lineage, and 699 (63.3%) were B/Victoria lineage. Whereas influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 viruses accounted for the majority of circulating viruses nationwide from October 2018 to mid-February 2019, influenza A(H3N2) viruses were detected more frequently than were A(H1N1)pdm09 viruses beginning in late February nationally (Figure 1) and in all 10 U.S. Health and Human Services (HHS) regions by the end of March 2019. For the season overall, influenza A(H3N2) viruses predominated in HHS Regions 4, 6, and 7, and influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 viruses predominated in the remaining seven regions.
Yup. Caught a bug on Black Friday which I now believe was coronavirus. There were no travel restrictions on anybody coming from any part of the Earth at that time. It likely has widely spread and dissipated. Not that it isn’t still really deadly to some.
And, what was your chest reading?
Any ground glass areas?
No, all was good. It was apparently just in the tubes [maybe] and throat/trachea. It took a long while to finally get rid of the dry cough.
I looked yesterday and I used the inhaler 26 times so I was using it for more than 13 days.
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