Posted on 01/20/2020 9:23:05 AM PST by southern rock
The dumpster fire that is western masculinity.
S.I.M.P.ing on-line and in real life is the TRUE toxic masculinity.
Ping.
JoMa
I remember Mark Steyn writing about how he felt Western masculinity symbolically peaked sometime around the sinking of the Titanic.
While the ship was going down, society’s elite males, dressed in tuxedos, and with utmost chivalry and aplomb, helped load women and children into life boats, and without any sense of panic, sang “Nearer My God, to Thee” while they faced their doom.
What you describe is not masculinity. It is the pinnacle of SIMPing. But Mark Steyn is a tradcon that believes that men giving their lives for some code of chivalry is a noble and good thing. Personally, I’ll take a seat in the lifeboat.
What is masculinity and its purpose if not for physically protecting the family?
Protecting your own family is an obligation. Definitely your children , for sure. I would argue that a wife has obligation to protect herself, as well. But giving up a seat in a lifeboat for a complete stranger simply because said stranger has a vagina and I don’t. Nope! My life is not worth less than someone else’s. Neither is my son’s.
Personally, I respect the old notions of chivalry and saving the women and children first. I wouldn’t be taking space away from a child. I couldn’t live with that.
However, I wouldn’t be singing while the ship went down either. It might be complete futility, but in my opinion ‘real men’ would be looking for the tool lockup, gathering together the large tables from the dinning hall as well as other larger furnishing or removable sections of the ship, and cobbling together makeshift flotation rafts.
It’s not noble nor is it stoicism to embrace your fate passively.
Actually it is. Men then were not weak and without question would sacrifice themselves to protect the women and Children.
Chivalry at its utmost. Masculinity at its highest form.
You are spot on.
That is a bit of a red herring as a child still would need a parent to go with them. Unless you were just going to send all the children off by themselves with no parents. But the idea that a woman should be saved at the expense of a man who should automatically decide to sacrifice his own life, is a very misandric way of thinking. And very much what is at play in this video as well, only to a more extreme extent
You are free to die for whoever you want. I do not except the premise that my life is of less value than another human being‘s life. And my son’s life is not of less value than any other human being‘s life.
“What you describe is not masculinity. It is the pinnacle of SIMPing”
Seriously!
The people pining for those days are the ones that are too chickens*it to tell women to adhere to the norms of that time.
Like men are supposed to be dutiful and sacrificial for women in 2020, whom have all of the same rights and privileges, but none of the expectations and responsibilities?
SIMP... Damned if another one didn’t get by me when I wasn’t paying attention.
I need to get some of that woke stuff. Does it work?
“Chivalry at its utmost. Masculinity at its highest form.”
The NYT published a full page depiction of the sinking ship with the caption,
“TITANIC: WHERE MANHOOD PERISHED NOT.”
To be lowered in a lifeboat past decks where women and children watched with anguished eyes as it passed them by.....unthinkable!!
LOL! But women being lowered in a lifeboat past decks were men watched with anguished eyes is it past them by? Just fine and dandy?
Yep. I love to put people who bring up the Titanic and the whole women and children first thing to the test. Just say to them , OK? Do you want to go back to 1912? Women did not have the right to vote in 1912. Let’s do this.
Those men who said that women and Children go first are real men. They made this choice knowing that they would certainly perish. They lost their lives but they kept their manhood.
Why you are bringing your son into this makes no sense. And if you are a person who would climb over women and children to save your own skin, then that makes you a coward.
Nothing’s fine & dandy when a ship is sinking with loss of life imminent.
But the civilized choice is to attempt to save women and children first.
You disagree? And the status of women’s suffrage in 1912 really has little to do with how men should act in a dire emergency.
LOL yourself, sunshine.
They kept nothing. They died. They ceased to exist on that day. Their life ended for no other reason that a woman wanted to keep on living.
Why you are bringing your son into this makes no sense.
How does it make no sense? It makes perfect sense. He’s a young man. You will expect him to go die anytime some random woman is in danger. You find no value in his life. He is fodder to you. But not to me. And going around calling people “coward” is stupid and useless. Shaming language doesn’t bring anyone back to life.
Doesn’t sound civilized to me. Men dying for no other reason if they happen to be a man? Sounds pretty barbaric. And children can just as easily be saved by getting into lifeboats with their fathers than with their mothers.
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