Posted on 11/20/2019 5:15:09 AM PST by C19fan
Has Clemson is correct question? Or the Eye Test? Strength of schedule?
“ Clemson has beaten 4 top 25 teams including #10 Auburn non conference.“
I believe that was from 2017. See link for the 2019 schedule.
I just heard a conversation on ESPN regarding how weak the ACC is that a defending National championship team that is undefeated and played no ranked teams might be left out because there may be 1 loss teams with a better resume this year.
Just for my thoughts on that topic. They will not be left out.
https://clemsontigers.com/sports/football/schedule/season/2019/
Just a reminder that OSU is one of only three teams to win a championship in the playoff era. Alabama and Clemson are the others.
Many thanks. Not a fan, but am expected at times to know where “my/our” team stands, and it’s not in the top 25. :-)
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
Any team that wins a Big 6 Conference should be in. This is not a sport it is fantasy FB. Move it to 8 teams and you have a real tourney that everyone has a chance to be in.
Any of the top 10 teams could win but 6 will not have a chance to.
And they play Penn State and Michigan over the next two weeks. And probably Minnesota in the Big Ten Championship.
The week’s rankings don’t matter. Where will these take us? That’s what matters. Georgia lost to a weak South Carolina team and gets dinged using the same logic as was used last year to disqualify OSU (which lost to Purdue). Precedent is a b*tch. Of course, if UGA wins out they go to the CFP but otherwise no.
What no one acknowledges is the great damage done to college football by the egregious disrespect shown to conferences. If Alabama does not even play for the SEC championship, surely they cannot get picked.
Meanwhile, either Utah or Oregon is likely to have one loss, the PAC12 championship and a compelling case.
The reality is that each year there are one or two teams that stand out; and every once in a while a third. Beyond this tail in the distribution there is a big drop off, lots of talent through teams seven, eight, nine, maybe even ten and nothing but navel gazing to draw meaningful distinctions. Each year the choice of team #4 makes the committee look like a bunch of clowns.
Check the facts. Clemson has played just one ranked team, then #12 Texas A&M in week 2. Clemson did not and will not play Auburn this year. Clemson will not play a ranked team in the ACC championship game. Historically, the ACC has been the weakest of the power 5 NCAA football conferences. And this year's ACC season has been among the worst in their largely mediocre history.
As for Texas A$M, It is well-known that SEC schools are heavily over-ranked early in the season in a concerted effort by the media (which is east coast based, not Midwest as you falsely assert) to pump up the top 3 or 4 SEC schools at the end of the year to pack the CFB with at least 2 SEC schools.
As for OSU, they have played two then ranked teams perennial top 10 Wisconsin (then 13) and then 25 Michigan St. OSU has also played currently ranked Cincinatti. And it should be noted that in each of the next 3 weeks, OSU will play (currently ranked) #8 Penn St., #13 Michigan AND either #10 Minnesota or a more likely rematch against #12 Wisconsin. Please also consider that Big Ten schools - unlike ACC and SEC schools - are prohibited by their conference from playing weak sister non-FBS schools.
I-O !
That "THE" crap is just silly.
Kinda limiting...makes me wonder how many other "Ohio State University" claimers are out there.
Six, seven more...maybe ten or so?
They certainly think a lot of themselves.
Drellberg, the committee ditched the ‘conference champion’ criteria a few years back when Bama didn’t even play in their conf championsip game and still made the playoff. They used to lambast the Big 12 for not having a conference game at all, the “extra data point” as they called it, like it mattered to them, until it didn’t matter to them.
Other criteria that used to matter to them but no longer matters, game control, quality wins, quality losses, my favorite was “big boy football”. AKA, defense. But you don’t hear that one anymore ever now that SEC teams give up big points to any quarterback with a pulse. Turns out all those mighty SEC defenses were just playing against inferior quarterbacks for years. About the time Texas A&M and Johnny Manziel and Missouri came into the SEC. Manziel was roasting SEC defenses, and I think Mizz played in the SEC conference championship game their first year in the conference.
It’s not just this years Bama/LSU shootout, but going back several years now. Oklahoma alone put 34 on Bama last year, 48 on Georgia in 2017, 35 on Auburn the year before, 45 on Bama in 2014. No more “big boy football” as they called it.
The committee and their ever changing criteria.
The post show questions were ridiculous softballs.
Question I would have asked.
1 loss Utah has zero wins against teams that YOUR COMMITTEE considers to be top 25. Two other 1 loss teams that you rank below them, Penn State and Oklahoma, each have 2 wins over teams your committee considers top 25. Why is Utah ahead of those 2 teams and how can you justify Utah’s ranking for beating up on 5 and 6 loss teams?
I can agree that LSU, tOSU and Clemson easily deserve the top 3 spots. Debatable from there, but the criteria is the confusing part.
Also LSU is learning what it means to have an offense that can score quickly, leaving their defense on the field for more snaps. I don’t think LSU suddenly just got bad at defense. They’re going to have to find that happy place of some ball/clock control to give that D a rest. Consequences of LSU learning to complete a forward pass in 2019.
JohnC,
Thanks for responding. It is growing increasingly evident that the CFP is ruining college football. Alabama has a great football team even without TT — and I “hate” Alabama and the whole SEC. It should not be the case that one close loss against another top 5 team ends their season — no playoff and no playing for the conference championship.
But more to the point, the playoff is the ruin of conferences more generally. And if I were the conference commissioners of the Big10 and Pac12, I would be talking very seriously about going back to the old Rose Bowl arrangement to pit the two conference champions, and to heck with the CFP. More specifically, I would invite into the Big10 these teams: either Miami or FL (not both), GA Tech, Pitt and one other eastern large market team (Boston College?); and into the PAC12 I would invite: Texas, A&M, Baylor, and Houston. The two conferences would then command >40 of the top 50 metropolitan markets in the country — not just for football of course but across the board. What markets would the SEC have? OKC?
I guess my point is that this CFP nonsense can go on only so long before common sense prevails. ESPN makes an obscene amount of money off of their relationship with the SEC and so of course they over-hype the SEC. Why does everyone else put up with this foolishness, which isn’t even good for the SEC?????
Clemson is cake walking their way into the CFP. Only TA&M was a ranked at the time team they’ve played, kinda embarrassing!!
Clemson plays in one of the weakest football conferences in the country. Each year they have a cakewalk to the CFP because the ACC, other than Clemson, are basketball schools and dump the majority of their money into basketball. Calling the ACC a “Power 5” football conference is a joke.
The CFP would work perfectly fine if it expanded to 8 teams and had specified criteria for qualification. Any sport that uses an “eye-test” as qualification is a corrupt sport. No different from figure skating. Normally I wouldn’t care, but for the most part these are taxpayer funded institutions and I don’t like the idea of potential revenue being dictated by an “eye test”.
My Proposal is to have the Power Five Conference Champions automatically qualify. Then take the highest ranked non-conference champion (which would allow an independent or non-Power Five team to qualify, if they are the highest ranked non-conference champion). That’s six teams.
Then seed the teams 1-6, the top two seeds get a bye, with the 3rd seed playing the 6th seed, and the 4th seed playing the 5th seed, for the chance to play the top two seeds.
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