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Judge rules ‘ISIS bride’ Hoda Muthana is not a US citizen
ny post ^ | Nov 14, 2019 | Lia Eustachewich

Posted on 11/14/2019 7:08:53 PM PST by Morgana

“ISIS bride” Hoda Muthana is not a US citizen — and America is under no obligation to let her back into the country, a federal judge ruled Thursday.

Judge Reggie Walton found there was enough evidence to prove Muthana — the US-born mom who fled her home in Alabama to join the terror group in Syria in 2014 but has been begging to come back to the US — was born while her father was a Yemeni diplomat, BuzzFeed News reported.

The judge said Muthana’s father, Ahmed Ali Muthana, can’t provide financial support to either her or her 2-year-old son, Adam, who was born in ISIS territory, without facing potential charges of providing material support to terrorism.

Christina Jump, one of the lawyers representing the Muthana family, confirmed the judge’s ruling in a statement obtained by The Post.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


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KEYWORDS: birthers; hodamuthana; isis; islam; jihad; muslima; muslims; obamalegacy; openborders; waronterror
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To: Tennessee Nana
It's perfectly fine. We should all laugh out loud, then say

to her.

21 posted on 11/14/2019 8:02:42 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Show me the people who own the land, the guns and the money, and I'll show you the people in charge.)
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To: Morgana

So happy with that ruling.

She hated it here like so many muslims do. Now she realizes it wasn’t so bad.


22 posted on 11/14/2019 8:04:02 PM PST by boycott
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To: Morgana

Sometimes you post the BEST feel good stories. :)


23 posted on 11/14/2019 8:08:32 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (A hero is a hero no matter what medal they give him. Likewise a schmuck is still a schmuck.)
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To: BradyLS
Wonder what all this could mean for anchors snd dreamers?

Sadly nothing.

This case was based on the fact that her father was a diplomat not an immigrant at the time of her birth.

Children of diplomats are ALWAYS considered natural born citizens of what ever country their parent is working for. The birth country has no claim on them what so ever. This is an international agreement going back centuries.

If they allowed her to claim US citizenship based on her birth while her father was working as a diplomat it would open up a major can of worms that not even the deep state wants to have opened.

24 posted on 11/14/2019 8:14:32 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (A hero is a hero no matter what medal they give him. Likewise a schmuck is still a schmuck.)
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To: Morgana
When do the "Free Hoda" mass demonstrations and street rallies begin?

Leni

25 posted on 11/14/2019 8:22:06 PM PST by MinuteGal ( MAGA ! ! !....MAGA ! ! !....MAGA ! ! !)
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To: Morgana

More winning.


26 posted on 11/14/2019 8:23:22 PM PST by unlearner (Be ready for war.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
This case was based on the fact that her father was a diplomat not an illegal immigrant at the time of her birth.

Fixed it!

Regards,

27 posted on 11/14/2019 8:50:22 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek
Nope.

There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant.

An immigrant has a legal standing. The phrase you are looking for is "illegal alien".

28 posted on 11/14/2019 8:53:05 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (A hero is a hero no matter what medal they give him. Likewise a schmuck is still a schmuck.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
The phrase you are looking for is "illegal alien".

Correction noted.

Regards,

29 posted on 11/14/2019 9:01:03 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Morgana

Good.Let her rot where she is.She wanted to live with those Isis terrorist.I hope she enjoys her stay.


30 posted on 11/14/2019 9:05:42 PM PST by puppypusher ( The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: Morgana

Good riddance to this trash!


31 posted on 11/14/2019 9:14:49 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: Lurkinanloomin
At least we have one judge that still uses the law....../s

Reggie Walton, appointed by W.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggie_Walton

32 posted on 11/14/2019 9:18:27 PM PST by TChad
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To: Morgana

There’s no immigration restrictions for corpses. If she kills herself, her family can have her shipped into the USA for burial. A win-win!


33 posted on 11/14/2019 9:29:05 PM PST by Dagnabitt
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

It says right on a passport that if you pledge allegiance to another country or military, you may lose your citizenship. Wonder if the laws behind that were a factor.


34 posted on 11/14/2019 11:00:14 PM PST by The Antiyuppie (‘When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.’)
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To: sevlex; Lurkinanloomin

The easy grounds for excluding her would be that her father was the Yemeni ambassador at the time, if in fact that were true. Under the Law of Nations and the Natural Law, such individuals have NEVER been considered members of the polity in the country to which their parent was the ambassador, but rather citizens of the country OF WHICH their parent was an ambassador.

Now, as far as I recall, things get murky pretty fast when the parent in question is not a bona fide foreign ambassador, but is some kind of lesser official, such as a high level “diplomat” who is nevertheless not the ambassador, or who, though their country’s highest official here present, is formally or technically speaking not AN ambassador. The U.S. government really cannot be heard to claim that such children are U.S. citizens (e.g. for purposes of Selective Service Registration/wartime draft), since to do so would be considered undiplomatic in the extreme. Nevertheless purist interpretations of the 14th Amendment would seem to suggest that the U.S. government could make a straight-faced claim in favor of citizenship for such individuals if it were inclined to do so, based on non-ambassador parentage and birth in the United States of America. This is the kind of pretzel logic we invite into our system when we fail to put appropriate limits on so-called “born citizenship” for individuals, neither of whose parents were U.S. citizens at the time of their birth. It never was a workable theory but we seemed to have slipped so far into that way of thinking over the years that U.S. officials are now loathe to begin propounding any contrary theories.

I’d wager that eventually the U.S. will relent and stop arguing against U.S. citizenship in this woman’s case.

By the way, if she manages to weasel her way back into the United States and is formally recognized as a U.S. citizen, one would have to admit that in accordance with a similar line of reasoning, John Sidney McCain III was a born and lifelong citizen of Panama. Not for nothing, but also not that this should make a difference, but McCain was NOT born on a U.S. military facility within the confines of the Panama Canal Zone. There WAS a medical facility on base at that time but it was NOT equipped with a maternity ward. Accordingly, John Sidney McCain, III was born in Colon Hospital, Colon, Panama to two U.S. citizens, one of which was a U.S. Navy Admiral. Sort of the same level of official as a “diplomat”, wouldn’t you say?


35 posted on 11/14/2019 11:00:54 PM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

An immigrant has a legal standing. The phrase you are looking for is “illegal alien”.

...the core reason the Dems don’t like those mean, heartless words.


36 posted on 11/14/2019 11:02:30 PM PST by The Antiyuppie (‘When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.’)
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To: Morgana
If this creature does prevail in some weird appeal so as to become a US citizen by some twisted writ, should it not be retroactive? Then, isn't there a law around here somewhere such that it is against the law for a US citizen to join ISIS?

It seems like she should be arguing her way into a federal prison for twenty years or so. She was an adult when she joined ISIS.

She said she was brainwashed. When did that happen? To let her into the United States for any reason except to put her in prison would require brainwashing of a different sort.

37 posted on 11/15/2019 3:58:38 AM PST by stevem
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To: sevlex

The Constitution specifically excludes children born in the USA to foreign diplomats.

It was the Obama Administration early in 2016 that sent her a letter explaining her lack of citizenship. Leftists saying this is a Trump decision are simply lying.

It’s not even a hard case.


38 posted on 11/15/2019 5:30:21 AM PST by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: jjotto

Where in the U.S. Constitution does it exclude as citizens children born in the U.S.A. to foreign diplomats?


39 posted on 11/15/2019 6:29:41 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: The Antiyuppie

No, that was not the basis for the ruling. Judge Walton determined that her US passport was issued in error - she was NEVER a US citizen, so she had to falsify her passport application. She was the child of a foreign diplomat when born, and therefore only a citizen of that diplomat’s country, not the US.

Her burning her fraudulent passport is only icing on the cake.


40 posted on 11/15/2019 6:34:37 AM PST by MortMan (Americans are a people increasingly separated by our connectivity.)
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