The Ketogenic Diet and Diabetes

ruled.me ^ | Oct 12th, 2018 | Craig Clarke

[GailA]

It’s a balanced way of eating. But it’s not for everyone. I have Gastropresis ‘Slow Digestion or Motility’ which can only be diet controlled, by eliminating as much fiber as you can from your diet. You don’t digest it at all. It is painful, bringing puking, diarrhea and a hernia. You can get dehydrated easy, end up in the ER more than you’d like to do.

The worse part is it pushes you toward Type 2 Diabetes.

A diabetic diet is high in fiber and doesn’t go well with a GP diet. 5-6 small meals a day. It takes me 4 hrs+ to digest 2 slices of toast and 2 eggs and it’s painful. No way you can handle the multiple small meal plan. In fact most dieticians don’t understand what GP is.

[Lizavetta]

Potatoes by themselves, steamed or baked, are fine.

It's what people load them up with that makes them bad.

[ConservativeMind]

I can always find something to eat wherever I go but these are things I avoid at all costs:

Bread
Pasta
Candy, cookies, ice cream, cake, pies
Any kind of snack food like chips, popcorn, etc
Potatoes (but do have sweet potato once in while)

We follow this, too. Of course, we also stay away from rice and my wife now rarely has red or black beans (I skip them).

[Grampa Dave]

My wife got a series of phone calls from our youngest grandson.

He is a freshman this year at a good college and is sharing a home with 3 other guys.

They decided to cook a good afternoon meal yesterday using their various skills.

He said that he would make his Grandmother’s Ceasar salad with her homemade croutons and dressing.

Her last phone call yesterday was, “Your Ceasar salad was a big hit. There was nothing left from your recipe that feeds 8-10!”

She was smiling the rest of the day and kinda walking on air.:)

[Batman11]

PFL

[CondoleezzaProtege]

Perhaps but it’s worth pointing out just how utterly uninspired and devoid of imagination this society has become. Children are shooting up schools, thousands are dying of opioid overdoses — we need more than foodie fads to keep people healthy: mentally, emotionally, spiritually.

[libh8er]

Keto may produce quick results by it’s not a healthy diet for the long term.. unless you want to lose your kidneys.

[SamAdams76]

Good point. I've learned that it is not a bad thing to not finish a bottle of wine once you open it! The wine will still be drinkable the next day.

I haven't developed much of a wine palette either. If I don't have the bottle to look at, I literally couldn't tell you if it was a blend, a cab, a merlot or whatever else is out there for reds. Unless it's a really hot day, I stay away from white wine. I prefer the taste of red.

Now getting back to my last post, I neglected to mention that while my calorie intake is about the same, my carb intake averages 52 a day (after subtracting for fiber). So I doubt I ever go into ketosis but that's not the intent, I just want to keep the weight off and stay healthy. My last blood work was excellent all around, including blood pressure. For the first time in years, the doctor did not prescribe blood pressure meds.

For comparison, I was averaging 230 carbs a day before I went back on this diet. I lost 40 pounds in three months and have been losing 2-3 pounds a month since.

I've been keeping careful track of my diet for years using the MyFitnessPal app (free).

[CondoleezzaProtege]

#FirstWorldProblems
“The Rise of Food Allergies and First World Problems”

https://psmag.com/social-justice/rise-food-allergies-first-world-problems-67067

[Drango]

Lost? Watch this video for some Keto background. https://youtu.be/Zk9N7ERNtmg

[The Truth Will Make You Free]

Someone on full keto should increase their salt. I’ve found after long sweaty exercise I need to increase salt or I lose energy. Salt on watermelon works well.

Side journey.., in Afghanistan I got a horrible case of Big-D. The Afghans from Nuristan gave me watermelon with salt and then liver kabob. I found out later this replenished electrolytes perfectly. Only time I had liver kabob in 5 years there.

[bigbob]

How many centuries did our ancestors survive on diets where bread, beer, and in some areas, potatoes were staples? And yet, here we are...

[luckystarmom]

I’m in Northern California, and I agree. My daughter has had seizures in the past, and I know all about the Keto diet.

The doctors don’t even recommend the Keto diet for adults with epilepsy because it is hard on the heart. For adults they recommend a modified Atkins diet.

Personally, I think for people without a epilepsy or other major health problem, eat a variety of foods, but cut down the carbs and sugars.

[SamAdams76]

Yes, we all die eventually, the point is, don't let the last ten years of your life suck.

Nice reply to the "we're all gonna die of something" crowd. I'm going to use that!

I have a close family member about my age and he is about done. Type II diabetes, morbidly obese, and can't even climb a flight of stairs without taking a break and huffing and puffing.

He is still on the SAD (Standard American Diet) and has that same attitude as others - "We all gonna die of something"

I just turned 57 years old this month and I tell you, I am so full of energy right now with this lifestyle. I spent part of the weekend finding new hiking trails to explore this fall.

So yeah, my obese cousin may well live about as long as I do but I do not want to trade for his lifestyle just so I can have my donuts and pizza - no way!

[whitemale]

Correct
The natural human diet (as just another animal on the planet) is bark and crickets. IE complex carbs protein and fat.
Our metabolism is poisoned by constant intake of simple carbs. Sugar, at least the fructose moiety, is poisonous to our metabolism.

[frank ballenger]

it comes off as just another first-world, indulgent, irritating hipster trend. Like another iPhone app. Oh America: where masculinity, literacy, morals, and genuine occupations of the soul are in short supply... but we are so spoiled we can pick our diets, pick our genders... Instead of building cathedrals and planning walks to the moon.

Thought provoking on the state of America. You are getting more and more eloquent as each day goes by.

[elcid1970]

Carb heavy foods are often referred to as the five bad whites: sugar, bread, potatoes, pasta, and rice.

I went Keto two months ago; dropped twenty pounds & then plateaued. Don’t miss any of those anymore.

I call it the Al Sharpton diet: “WHITE is not RIGHT!!!””

[luckystarmom]

It’s more than a fad diet. It’s proven to help children with epilepsy.

However most of their parents will tell you how hard it is. It’s just worth it to control seizures.

It just happens to also be the new diet flavor of the month.

[GailA]

I think they are. Eldest is a Type 2, he works long hours, and fast food became a way of life. Took off about 75 lbs when he first went on his Type 2 diet and Metformin.

While he’s up in weight a little it’s still not under good control as the Metformin stopped working as well as it should.

I have the opposite issues, Osteoarthritis drugs Killed my GI tract, and the last 3 yrs has been H. Hand surgery that didn’t go right, and then dental that had 2 surgeries plus the 10 teeth pulled in the lower jaw which had to be re-sculpted. 9 Months no lower teeth. Gastropresis is NOT a nice GI health issue as it pushes you toward Type 2. Last month I hit 6.2 A1C1. It will be 7 by the time I see the Endo again in Oct. The lower denture still doesn’t fit, won’t hold, and I can’t digest fiber foods, I’m on what they call a soft diet, bread, pasta, eggs, soft meats. Veggies don’t digest. Seeded fruits are out Diverticulosis and GERD.

Neither diet can be reconciled I’ve tried, as I like most of the food GP took away. I hate ER trips. SIBO infections. And the 25 lb weight gain doesn’t help the bad degenerative spine. Walk I’m told, Neuropathy makes it very painful, that comes from the crushed C5/S1. And the CDC idiots took away the only pain medication I can take. 14 bad reactions to Neuropathy drugs. I gave up after the 2 A Fib trips to the ER. I tired of being constantly hungry and in pain.

[SamAdams76]

I forgot to put rice on my list but yes, I avoid rice as well.

I don't like to dwell on what I can't eat however but what I can eat. And that is plenty...

Eggs
Fish
Poultry
Beef
Pork
Butter (real butter)
Veggies
Salads (no dressing, just some olive oil)
Berries (with occasional fresh fruit in season)
Nuts
Cheese (cheese!)
Full-milk yogurt (never get "low-fat" yogurt)
Peanut butter | Almond butter
Dark chocolate (over 85%)
Red wine

So a lot of possibilities using the above.

I do a lot of cooking at home so don't go to restaurants nearly as much as I used to. This allows me the extra money to get quality ingredients. Also when cooking at home, I spice it up with hot peppers, garlic, mushrooms, etc. In fact, whenever I am cooking meat in the cast iron, I thrown in some onions, garlic and mushrooms with a little olive oil or butter. So good.

Another note: I see what others are saying on the thread about how overpriced food items are that are marked "Keto", "Gluten free", etc. Those labels are usually found on processed foods which I don't buy. I prefer to get the actual ingredients fresh and I put them together at home.

To eat this way successfully, you need to get away from the "stick it in the microwave on HIGH for four minutes" way of eating. You need to get those pots and pans out of the kitchen cabinets and put them to work.