Posted on 08/21/2019 4:31:33 PM PDT by ammodotcom
The shootout between Randy Weaver and his family and federal agents on August 21, 1992 is often considered a pivotal date in American history.
The short version is this: Randy Weaver and his wife Vicki moved with their four kids to the Idaho Panhandle, near the Canadian border, to escape what they thought was an increasingly corrupt world. The Weavers held racial separatist beliefs, but were not involved in any violent activity or rhetoric. They were peaceful Christians who simply wanted to be left alone.
Specifically for his beliefs, Randy Weaver was targeted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) in an entrapping sting operation designed to gain his cooperation as a snitch. When he refused to become a federal informant, he was charged with illegally selling firearms. Due to a miscommunication about his court date, the Marshal Service was brought in, who laid siege to his house and shot and killed his wife, 14-year-old son, and dog.
The incident for many Americans is a chilling reminder of the predatory and aggressive nature of federal law enforcement.
Continue reading The Siege at Ruby Ridge: The Forgotten History of the ATF Shootout That Started a Militia Movement at Ammo.com.
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The irony of the federal governments desire to obtain informants within the Aryan Nations is that different branches of federal law enforcement and intelligence gathering occupied five of the six key positions in the organization. This means that the Aryan Nations were effectively a government-run shop, with agents spying on each other to ensure the integrity of an investigation into an organization almost entirely run by the federal government.
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But they really really needed Weaver as an informant......
[And this is why I lay the blame at Horiuchi’s feet. He broke the cardinal rule of shooting: be sure of your target. ]
Another problem was the special ROE for this assignment, which made the area a virtual free-fire zone, in defiance of traditional FBI ROE. That, again, was something for which the commander(s) should have been fired.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#Special_ROE_and_sniper/observer_deployment
[Well, it wasnt a simple traffic stop.
It was set up to look like a simple traffic stop, but designed to drive the victim up the road to an ambush.]
A simple traffic stop would have gotten Weaver into custody. And that was how they went after the people doing the Bundy thing in Oregon.
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You do realize that LaVoy stopped further up the road right. But they did not take him during that stop did they. No they pushed him on. Ever wonder why? Because he had not made it to the ambush location.
Roadblock, on a corner, complete with recently cleared branches and obstructions for fields of fire. Yea just another traffic stop.....
[You do realize that LaVoy stopped further up the road right. But they did not take him during that stop did they. No they pushed him on. Ever wonder why? Because he had not made it to the ambush location.
Roadblock, on a corner, complete with recently cleared branches and obstructions for fields of fire. Yea just another traffic stop.....]
your whole argument assumes the accused are looking to kill police officers. There is absolutely no proof that anyone at the refuge in Oregon was planning on that.
And that is the problem with most law enforcement today, the misguided belief that everyone is out to kill them. In every one of the incidents you mentioned, none of the accused was planning an attack on officers, but in every one of those instances, law enforcement was acting as if they were.
This is a problem, a very big problem. We are citizens of the United States, and we, in no way shape or form, are meant to be looked at by our law enforcement in that manner.
[your whole argument assumes the accused are looking to kill police officers. There is absolutely no proof that anyone at the refuge in Oregon was planning on that.]
Note that when I use the word ambush, I mean catch unawares or get the drop on them, not shoot them down like deer during open season. Law enforcement personnel are not soldiers and should not be in the role of shooting suspects down on sight. Because if that became the rule, cops would be sitting ducks for retaliatory attacks, given how highly visible they are on a day-to-day basis.
I followed the LaVoy ambush closely at that time. The feds and their contractors were absolutely evil. Then (trust) Sessions accommodated them. Makes me sick!
Yea I was following it closely as well. How anyone can watch the overhead video, or worse yet the cell phone video inside the vehicle, and think any of it was ok, is beyond me.
” This means that the Aryan Nations were effectively a government-run shop, “
You’ve got to wonder if Antifa is run by these fed goons too.
I’m glad this article was posted becuse it should remind us that these agencies aren’t just corrupt at the top; they are corrupt all the way through. Let’s also remember the BLM, same thing.
As far as barr is concerned, he’s there to re-establish the old order and restore public confidence. I’m glad he screwed up with Epstein because I think that people have less respect for these corrupt agencies than ever. All they do is go after the little people in the private sector while leaving the elites alone.
Juries have to fight back by rejecting evidence presented by these agencies in court.
Can anyone point out an instance when the FBI accomplished anything useful that couldn’t have been accomplished just as effectively by any other of the myriad agencies and police departments in fed and state government?
It seems to me the FBI was a bad idea from the very start— a bad idea realized by a deranged megalomaniac: Hoover.
[I followed the LaVoy ambush closely at that time. The feds and their contractors were absolutely evil. Then (trust) Sessions accommodated them. Makes me sick!]
Oh, Horiuchi doesn't shoulder all the blame by a longshot. But, he was more responsible for the Weaver woman's death than someone who was just following orders. Just saying that he "thought" his target was Randy Weaver doesn't let him off the hook. He's a trained sniper. He knows better than to shoot at a target he can't be sure of. He's no better than the idiot deer hunter who kills a cow just because he "thought" it was a deer.
No. Any soldier would be looking at some serious prison time for doing what the police get away with. Yes, even in a war zone.
I read Mr. Weavers Book and was sickened by it.
The federal gub mint is here to help? Crappola.
The thing I was absolutely amazed with was that Lawyer Gerry Spence was able to get damn near all the charges thrown out.
Lon Horiuchi was a gub mint murderer and skated for his crimes here and in Waco for which they promoted him.
I hope he burns in hell.
if the federal gub mint is innocent in regards Oklahoma City, why the hell did the FBI go around and collected EVERY damned surveillance video in the city and NEVER to be seen by the public or released?
What did they have to hide?
The real story is hidden here pal.
Who was POTUS at the tie and who took ‘full responsibility?’
Just think if 500 militia had shown up at Ruby Ridge like they did at the Bundy ranch.
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