Siege at Ruby Ridge: The Forgotten History of the ATF Shootout That Started a Militia Movement

Ammo.com ^ | August 21, 2019 | Ammo.com

[ammodotcom]

The shootout between Randy Weaver and his family and federal agents on August 21, 1992 is often considered a pivotal date in American history.

The short version is this: Randy Weaver and his wife Vicki moved with their four kids to the Idaho Panhandle, near the Canadian border, to escape what they thought was an increasingly corrupt world. The Weavers held racial separatist beliefs, but were not involved in any violent activity or rhetoric. They were peaceful Christians who simply wanted to be left alone.

Specifically for his beliefs, Randy Weaver was targeted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) in an entrapping “sting” operation designed to gain his cooperation as a snitch. When he refused to become a federal informant, he was charged with illegally selling firearms. Due to a miscommunication about his court date, the Marshal Service was brought in, who laid siege to his house and shot and killed his wife, 14-year-old son, and dog.

The incident for many Americans is a chilling reminder of the predatory and aggressive nature of federal law enforcement.

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[PGalt]

Never forget. “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

[TBP]

Do you remember John Doe #2? Matches almost exactly the description of Jose Padilla.

[Hojczyk]

Read Police State by Gerry Spence....

They entrapped Randy Weaver....

They surround this place and when his kid and a friend went hunting with a dog...

The dog went after the Feds hiding in in woods...the Feds shot the dog and
the kids shot where the shots came from...

Then the Feds shot at the kids hitting one of them..

[TBP]

There is no statute of limitations for murder, is there?

[doorgunner69]

we should also not forget they, like a military army, take orders and follow a chain of command.

Cops operate far more independently than the military.

[shotgun]

“Good morning Mrs. Weaver. How’s the baby Mrs. Weaver?”

FBI pysops tactics they used after they shot and killed her.

[tet68]

His big mistake was cutting down two shotguns 1/4” too short

As I recall he cut the barrels to legal length 18”+ but the
stocks were short of the overall length of 26”.

I too have seen him at various gun shows.

[yarddog]

I have read Gerry Spence’s excellent book. Also many more articles.

I know what happened but no longer want to sadden or anger myself reading it again.

I worked 20 years for civil service. Word among agents was that a reprimand in your personnel folder was so serious that most agents just resign knowing their career is over.

Well the two FBI Supervisors at Ruby Ridge were given official reprimands. Two weeks later they were each promoted.

[Zhang Fei]

[Do you remember John Doe #2? Matches almost exactly the description of Jose Padilla.]

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Padilla is Nichols’s ex-wife’s married name. Her maiden name was Walsh.
https://people.com/archive/aftershocks-vol-44-no-20/

Note her lack of resemblance to Jose Padilla, who looks like he has a lot of Indian blood:
https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-1500/6403808a/28e86439/nichols-trial-oklahoma-city-usa-shutterstock-editorial-6403808a.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9e/Jos%C3%A9_Padilla_%28prisoner%29.jpg

I think Padilla was railroaded. It’s not that he did not have violent thoughts. The point is that people are not supposed to be imprisoned for merely thinking that it wouldn’t be a bad thing if some political opponent bought the farm with someone’s active assistance. Plenty of Freepers and left-wingers have had such thoughts, but you don’t see them sentenced to decades in prison. More to the point - why is John Walker Lindh out and about, whereas Padilla is still in prison? Lindh should be pushing up daisies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Padilla_(prisoner)#Criticism_of_his_conviction

[freedomjusticeruleoflaw]

Roasting in hell... hopefully.

[Bonemaker]

“His big mistake was cutting down two shotguns 1/4” too short”

That’s like the poor bastard in New York because he was selling loosies. Filthy government that Lincoln bequeathed us.

[davidb56]

I read he was living somewhere in the central USA. Sucking up on a excellent FIB retirement with full benefits. He was “just following orders”, like many LEO’s. If they left the sheriff in charge, it would have never happened. They WANTED (gov) it to happen. Why else would you put snipers around, when they could arrest him at the mail box or grocery store.

[JudgemAll]

I believe 911 is at the origin of the current coup. #2 Al Zwahiri had a history of working with the FSB in Chechnya

Mueller invited Russians, the FSb , to supposedly help fight terror together after 911. Then he also brought CAIR of the muslim brotherhood while the Patriot act was drafted.

Fast forward today and we have Mueller with the support of a Bush colluding with Russian agents at Fusion GPS using the Patriot Act to foment a coup, accusing Trump of seeking Russians to dig dirt on Hillary when they were the ones colluding with Russia to trap Trump and dig dirt on him.

[eastexsteve]

[For the five months following the Waco inferno, Timothy McVeigh worked at gun shows and handed out free cards printed with Horiuchi’s name and address, “in the hope that somebody in the Patriot movement would assassinate the sharpshooter”.

I don't understand why this doesn't happen. Maybe Weaver didn't have enough capable family members to carry out the task. Hey, you kill my wife and shoot my kid? I'm coming for you. Sooner or later, I'm coming for you.

[mabarker1]

Not going to forget Either One !!!

And BTW FU lon whoreruccii You Murdering POS!!!

[foreverfree]

Bump

[Zhang Fei]

[I don’t understand why this doesn’t happen. Maybe Weaver didn’t have enough capable family members to carry out the task. Hey, you kill my wife and shoot my kid? I’m coming for you. Sooner or later, I’m coming for you. ]

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He had already lost a wife and a son. He had 3 remaining kids. I see why he would have held back.

And it was a split second decision. Horiuchi says he thought it was Weaver behind the door. A US Marshal lay dead. Basically, the whole encounter was a massive cluster**** from beginning to end. They could have grabbed Weaver during one of his trips into town instead of going after him at his home. It was basically a precursor to the equally moronic Waco/Branch Davidian raid that wiped out the whole compound.

There are still people who hole up in compounds doing things that may violate Federal laws, but we don’t get disasters like this any more because the Feds have stopped mounting these kinds of raids. A simple traffic stop would have gotten Weaver into custody. And that was how they went after the people doing the Bundy thing in Oregon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge#January_26_arrests_and_shooting

I can’t speak to the merits of the causes involved, but I believe what happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco amounted to negligent homicide rather than murder. But the people who should have been blamed are not the grunts carrying out orders. It’s the commanders in charge of the operations who should have been fired, at the very least, and perhaps stripped of their pensions.

[mabarker1]

What’s Horiuchi whoreriuchi doing these days?s>

Fixed

[eastexsteve]

Horiuchi says he thought it was Weaver behind the door.

And this is why I lay the blame at Horiuchi's feet. He broke the cardinal rule of shooting: be sure of your target.

[Scrambler Bob]

A simple traffic stop would have gotten Weaver into custody. And that was how they went after the people doing the Bundy thing in Oregon.
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Well, it wasn’t a simple traffic stop.

It was set up to look like a simple traffic stop, but designed to drive the victim up the road to an ambush.