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Siege at Ruby Ridge: The Forgotten History of the ATF Shootout That Started a Militia Movement
Ammo.com ^ | August 21, 2019 | Ammo.com

Posted on 08/21/2019 4:31:33 PM PDT by ammodotcom

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To: Swirl

LaVoy Finicum was murdered on January 26, 2016. Not Sessions.


61 posted on 08/22/2019 8:03:59 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Twitter, Facebook and New York City do not represent the real world.)
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To: tsomer

I’m glad your raised this point.

Most people never question the underlying premises, especially when it comes to government. Of course, those in government never want you to.

1. FBI is essentially a secret organization like many other agencies such as dea, cia. So, the public is entirely dependent on those agencies to give us truthful and accurate information. I don’t care how good these individuals might be, but it’s impossible to be truthful and secret at the same time. In fact it is more likely that secrecy will corrupt and attract corrupt individuals.
2. Because they are federal agencies there are no effective checks on their power. They can’t be voted out, the president has little control, and the AG really has few checks on power. Same with department heads because of secrecy. At the State level, these agents would be under AG or governor and could be voted out or even checked by a federal court.
3. Information is power. This allows agents at all levels to exert leverage on witnesses to obtain false testimony or blackmail political figures that are looking into their actions.

But you more basic points that we can never know how effective or ineffective the FBI is because we cannot do a prospective study on their effectiveness.


62 posted on 08/22/2019 8:08:29 AM PDT by grumpygresh
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To: grumpygresh

It just occurs to me— the biggest problem:
they’re armed.

Take away their guns and the country would be far safer.

Gun control I could get behind.


63 posted on 08/22/2019 9:20:15 AM PDT by tsomer
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Billy boy


64 posted on 08/22/2019 9:48:58 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ( Molon Labe' baby, Molon Labe)
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To: Lurker

What basic facts didn’t we get straight?


65 posted on 08/30/2019 10:36:09 AM PDT by ammodotcom
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To: ammodotcom

“the Marshal Service was brought in, who laid siege to his house and shot and killed his wife, 14-year-old son, and dog.”

This one. The Marshall Service shot his son and their dog. An FBI sniper named Lon Horiuchi shot and killed Vicky Weaver. The FBI was in charge of the siege not the Marshall Service.

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66 posted on 08/30/2019 10:42:11 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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