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One giant ... lie? Why so many people still think the moon landings were faked
The Guardian ^ | 07-10-2019 | Richard Godwin

Posted on 07/10/2019 10:21:39 AM PDT by NRx

It took 400,000 Nasa employees and contractors to put Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin on the moon in 1969 – but only one man to spread the idea that it was all a hoax. His name was Bill Kaysing.

It began as “a hunch, an intuition”, before turning into “a true conviction” – that the US lacked the technical prowess to make it to the moon (or, at least, to the moon and back). Kaysing had actually contributed to the US space programme, albeit tenuously: between 1956 and 1963, he was an employee of Rocketdyne, a company that helped to design the Saturn V rocket engines. In 1976, he self-published a pamphlet called We Never Went to the Moon: America’s Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle, which sought evidence for his conviction by means of grainy photocopies and ludicrous theories. Yet somehow he established a few perennials that are kept alive to this day in Hollywood movies and Fox News documentaries, Reddit forums and YouTube channels.

Despite the extraordinary volume of evidence (including 382kg of moon rock collected across six missions; corroboration from Russia, Japan and China; and images from the Nasa Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter showing the tracks made by the astronauts in the moondust), belief in the moon-hoax conspiracy has blossomed since 1969. Among 9/11 truthers, anti-vaxxers, chemtrailers, flat-Earthers, Holocaust deniers and Sandy Hook conspiracists, the idea that the moon landings were faked isn’t even a source of anger any more – it is just a given fact.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Conspiracy; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: 911truthers; antivaxxers; apollo11; billkaysing; chemtrailers; fakenews; flatearthers; grauniad; holocaustdenial; kaysing; moonlanding; sandyhookparanoia
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To: Mr. Jeeves
When you achieve something stupendous then immediately turn away from it because - as a nation - you feel guilt over those unable to do it

We "turned away from it" because it cost $4 billion per trip in 1973 dollars. Technology that doesn't pay for itself goes away when someone stops signing the checks, see the Concorde for an example.

21 posted on 07/10/2019 10:38:23 AM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: Mr. Jeeves

We’ve been back 5 times! We landed on the moon on July 20th, 1969 and went back to it 5 more times. The last time being December 14th, 1972, more than 3 years after the first landing. People that say we never went back are a little slow in my opinion.


22 posted on 07/10/2019 10:38:28 AM PDT by dufus
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

THAT was funny :)


23 posted on 07/10/2019 10:39:16 AM PDT by dp0622 (Bad, bad company Till the day I die.)
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To: NRx

There are a few people that I know that have “Never met a conspiracy theory they didn’t like”. Frankly they scare me .


24 posted on 07/10/2019 10:39:39 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: MichaelCorleone; jmcenanly; Texas Fossil
Isn’t that the guy that Buzz Aldrin punched out for relentlessly harassing him?

That was Bart Sibrel, a man of the same material.<<<

It's not too late! Go Buzz!

25 posted on 07/10/2019 10:44:24 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The pun is mightier than the s-word.)
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To: BenLurkin

I’ve seen some FReepers, who appear to be serious, post that it is a hoax.


26 posted on 07/10/2019 10:44:55 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Freedom4US
How anyone thinks that could be faked even halfway convincingly is just insane.

Like liberals, those that doubt the moon landings just are spouting something about which they know nothing. There is SO much data, so many transcripts, so many pictures, so much film, so many problems found, dealt with, solved, so much history (apollo 13, gemini/mercury/x1/x15)... it's just easier for the small-brained to just slough it off to being fake.

Liberals are like this in everything they do, ignoring all the data on the pre-born, ignoring what we know about capitalism, Constitutions, islam, and on and on

27 posted on 07/10/2019 10:46:43 AM PDT by C210N (You can vote your way into Socialism; but, you have to shoot your way out of it.)
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To: NRx

So Grissom, White, and Chaffee died preparing for a hoax? I know they didn’t


28 posted on 07/10/2019 10:47:57 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Trump 2020)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Thanks NRx.

29 posted on 07/10/2019 10:49:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Freedom4US
How anyone thinks that could be faked even halfway convincingly is just insane. It isn’t possible.

There's an interesting youtube video by a professional movie cameraman. He makes the argument that the moonfake people have it exactly wrong: we didn't have the cinematographic technology in 1969 to make a convincing *fake* moon landing.

30 posted on 07/10/2019 10:51:17 AM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: cyclotic; Phinneous
My wife just told me that they are going to be projecting the Saturn V rocket on the Washington Monument every evening next week to celebrate the “hoax.”

So excellent! Thanks for dropping that info in here. I didn't know about that.

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Apollo 11 Anniversary: The Washington Monument Will 'Blast off' on July 16

To commemorate the moon landing, a 363-foot projection will make it look like the Washington Monument is taking off into space.

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'Liftoff' schedule

The virtual rocket is set to first appear on July 16, the anniversary of Apollo 11's launch in 1969. For two hours, over the next two nights, the Saturn V projection will appear on the side of the Washington Monument.

https://interestingengineering.com/apollo-11-anniversary-the-washington-monument-will-blast-off-on-july-16

31 posted on 07/10/2019 10:51:48 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The pun is mightier than the s-word.)
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To: pfflier

I find conspiracy theories fascinating. The wilder and weirder - the better.

And the conspiracy theories put forth by our own US government?

Some of the best ever!


32 posted on 07/10/2019 10:52:15 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: NRx

Some people don’t want to believe that something so great, so cool and so American could’ve happened without their having been born yet.


33 posted on 07/10/2019 10:54:33 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: cyclotic

Just took a vacation to Florida that included a day at Kennedy Space Center. So much nerd fun! Walking along the Saturn V display was amazing. And the Atlantis shuttle ... absolutely breath-taking.


34 posted on 07/10/2019 10:54:45 AM PDT by al_c (Democrats: Party over Common Sense)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

We haven’t demonstrated the ability to go back because we don’t have that ability. NASA said once that if we wanted to we’d have to start from scratch and it would take something like 25 years. To which many, myself included, asked “wait, why did it only take like 8 years in the 60? And why not just use the plans from the one that worked and make one of them?” On the surface it sounds suspicious but probably the answer is “well, with current environmental rules we’d have to invent brand new materials that are eco-friendly and have the unique properties of the ones we can no longer legally use.” And like most eco-friendly substitutes, they’d be far inferior and probably more than a little dangerous.


35 posted on 07/10/2019 10:54:48 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: circlecity

I always wondered where the ground based telescope pics of the landing site were/are??
Are there any?


36 posted on 07/10/2019 10:57:08 AM PDT by bantam
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To: al_c

I haven’t been there in years. My son, the space geek went a couple years ago with some buddies.

They were jealous since his NASA credentials allowed him full access to the entire base. He said he drove up to the launch pad and walked around.

Super cool.

He’s on the flight operations team for a satellite array.


37 posted on 07/10/2019 10:58:06 AM PDT by cyclotic
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To: NRx

I remember 1968, or 1969. The magazine SCIENCE AND MECHANICS had several articles about how the Soviet space program was a fake, and Gargarin never went into space.

The magazine should have been called FABRICATIONS AND MECHANICS.


38 posted on 07/10/2019 11:01:08 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: NRx

Maybe the saw CAPRICORN ONE (1977).


39 posted on 07/10/2019 11:02:28 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: pepsi_junkie
NASA said once that if we wanted to we’d have to start from scratch and it would take something like 25 years. To which many, myself included, asked “wait, why did it only take like 8 years in the 60?

I don't know where the 25 year number came from, but it depends heavily on how much money you're willing to spend and how fast you're willing to spend it.

It took longer than 8 years the first time, BTW. The Saturn V was in the planning phase in the late 1950's. It was easily 12 years from the beginning of the R&D to the first landing.

Why can't we build one again? Well, in part because the Saturn V is very old technology which was mostly hand-assembled by skilled craftsmen. We don't build stuff that way anymore, and we could build a much better rocket for much less money by using modern technology, computer-aided design, etc.

I said "less money," though, not "for free".

40 posted on 07/10/2019 11:03:30 AM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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