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New Zealanders Not Complying With Gun Ban
AllOutdoor.com ^ | 8 July 2019 | Russ Chastain

Posted on 07/10/2019 12:06:32 AM PDT by Windflier

Kiwis are standing by their guns.

Citizens of New Zealand are reportedly resisting the sweeping ban on semi-automatic firearms thrust upon them by an emotional parliament last April.

The Washington Post’s article is predictably poorly-titled: “New Zealand is trying to buy back the military-style weapons it banned in April. It’s not so easy.”

Firstly, no entity can buy “back” something which it never owned before. The government has never owned these firearms which it seeks to steal from their rightful owners. They are merely offering a bribe to those who comply.

Secondly, none of the guns are “military-style.” Being black and shaped similarly to military firearms doesn’t make a semi-auto rifle or shotgun “military-style.”

Now the good news: New Zealanders are not complying. There are an estimated “1.2 million to 1.5 million firearms in New Zealand,” yet only “about 700 firearms have been voluntarily surrendered.”

More good news: There’s no registry of semi-auto firearms in NZ, so door-to-door armed thefts of such firearms can’t be done.

Pro-gun groups plan to challenge the ban in court.

"The Council of Licensed Firearms Owners, New Zealand’s leading gun lobby, announced recently that it intends to challenge the buyback program through the courts.

Nicole McKee, the group’s secretary, said the plan is “to take legal action, likely to be by way of a class action.”

In a separate case, gun collector David Craze Sr., who is also a hunter and competition shooter, said he is considering a lawsuit seeking proper compensation for what he described as “property confiscation.”

Under the government’s buyback program, he would receive about 30 percent of the actual value of his collection of dozens of firearms, amassed over 50 years, he said.

He had intended to sell some of the firearms as part of his retirement plan, he said, describing his collection as an “investment.”

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The government has set the buyback value at 95 percent of the estimated base price for new or nearly new firearms. The amount is less for weapons in poorer condition.

There has been no indication from officials that the compensation rates will be increased, and an amnesty period expires Dec. 20."

The government is talking softly at the moment, but with the December deadline looming, there are hints they will consider using the violence of law enforcement agencies against citizens.

“We urge people to stay calm,” Mike Clement, New Zealand Police’s deputy commissioner of national operations, told The Washington Post.

“We acknowledge that you’re a law-abiding citizen and through no fault of your own you now find yourself in possession of firearms that are now illegal,” he said, but he noted that once the amnesty period expires, there is no excuse for holding on to weapons."



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KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; gunban; guns; newzealand; nz
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Gonna be very interesting to see how New Zealand's populace reacts to this.
1 posted on 07/10/2019 12:06:32 AM PDT by Windflier
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To: Windflier
The government is talking softly at the moment, but with the December deadline looming, there are hints they will consider using the violence of law enforcement agencies against citizens.

“We urge people to stay calm,” Mike Clement, New Zealand Police’s deputy commissioner of national operations, told The Washington Post.

“We acknowledge that you’re a law-abiding citizen and through no fault of your own you now find yourself in possession of firearms that are now illegal,” he said, but he noted that once the amnesty period expires, there is no excuse for holding on to weapons.”

There you go, no excuse for having guns. The Kiwis, especially the UK descended ones are normally very law abiding. Making innocent people felons at the whim of some PM with permanent PMS is a good way to produce (we hope) another shot heard round the world.

2 posted on 07/10/2019 12:17:41 AM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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Some foreigners need to put down some tyrants...


3 posted on 07/10/2019 12:20:53 AM PDT by northislander
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>> New Zealanders Not Complying With Gun Ban

Excellent! Fight the tyranny!


4 posted on 07/10/2019 1:02:50 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Windflier

tick tock


5 posted on 07/10/2019 3:19:34 AM PDT by eartick (Stupidity is expecting the government that broke itself to go out and fix itself. Texan for TEXIT!)
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Rational people know there is EVERY excuse for holding their weapons.


6 posted on 07/10/2019 3:20:18 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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Some foreigners need to put down some tyrants...

Foreigners, huh? I can think of some closer to home that need some loving administered.

7 posted on 07/10/2019 3:21:21 AM PDT by eartick (Stupidity is expecting the government that broke itself to go out and fix itself. Texan for TEXIT!)
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To: melsec

Close to you?


8 posted on 07/10/2019 3:32:47 AM PDT by Mark17 (With Jesus, there is more wealth in my soul, than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold.)
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“Gonna be very interesting to see how New Zealand’s populace reacts to this.”

Yep, and what happens next is TOTALLY in the hands of the government there. If they want the guns, they WILL get them, as they have the laws, and likely the courts, on their side. The key is to NEVER let the government get as far as they are in NZ - stop the laws before you need to ‘cling’.


9 posted on 07/10/2019 4:21:13 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: Gene Eric

“Excellent! Fight the tyranny!”

They’re not fighting yet, and I doubt they do fight. Right now they’re simply not complying and haven’t yet broken any laws, nor had to watch any show-trials.

Let’s see what happens next year.


10 posted on 07/10/2019 4:23:11 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: Windflier

The cowardly fems who run NZ will target the weak and out of power, the rude and aggressive who are nominally on the side of the NZ elite will not even be bothered by gun confiscation.

I would bet a good dollar that today ethnic gangs from NZ’s protected minorities are on social media brandishing their guns as if none of this is happening.


11 posted on 07/10/2019 4:49:19 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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One of the Maori gang leaders has already openly said they’re turning in nothing.


12 posted on 07/10/2019 5:53:19 AM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy...and call it progress")
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To: Windflier

Yes there is a registry, at least for recognized E-class “military style semiautomatics”. Look on YouTube for one “kiwitedferny”...he posted some great videos of war history and weapons (his old mancave was to die for), and on several of them he goes into great detail about New Zealand’s gun laws before all this mess took place.

Those Kiwis that have C-class (collector) licenses are moving to transfer what they can from E-class to C-class...others are waiting to see what the “buy-back” amounts offered look like. (That still hasn’t been finalized...clearly the Kiwis moved to mimic Australia’s laws without doing the math first.)


13 posted on 07/10/2019 5:57:19 AM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy...and call it progress")
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To: Windflier

December 20, huh?
All eyes on New Zealand December 21.


14 posted on 07/10/2019 5:57:21 AM PDT by griswold3
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To: Windflier

When the British came for American guns it lead to a new nation that protected the right of self defense. Leftists have been trying ever since to undo that.


15 posted on 07/10/2019 6:08:57 AM PDT by Nateman (If the left is not screaming, you are doing it wrong.)
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To: Windflier

“but he noted that once the amnesty period expires, there is no excuse for holding on to weapons.”

Sure there is. It’s “**** you, flatfoot.”

L


16 posted on 07/10/2019 6:11:22 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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Kiwis’ love Firearms,
that’s been My experience.


17 posted on 07/10/2019 6:32:04 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: Windflier

A microcosm of what would happen in the US if the government here tried that tactic.


18 posted on 07/10/2019 6:41:30 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Windflier

Give them the bullets first.


19 posted on 07/10/2019 6:58:44 AM PDT by SIDENET
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To: Windflier
There are an estimated “1.2 million to 1.5 million firearms in New Zealand,” yet only “about 700 firearms have been voluntarily surrendered.” More good news: There’s no registry of semi-auto firearms in NZ, so door-to-door armed thefts of such firearms can’t be done.

Sounds like the gun owners are silently revolting.

20 posted on 07/10/2019 7:02:38 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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