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Top 9 Most Reliable Laptop Brands And Failure Rate Comparison
geckoandfly.com ^ | June 9, 2019 | Ngan Tengyuen

Posted on 06/19/2019 8:23:57 AM PDT by fireman15

Planned obsolescence, or built-in obsolescence, in industrial design and economics is a policy of planning or designing a product with an artificially limited useful life, so it will become obsolete (that is, unfashionable or no longer functional) after a certain period of time.

No company will admit they have this policy, but we can observe this from a products’ average failure rate and the company’s sincerity in fixing it by making available parts required to fix it. This is why I am a huge fan of Japanese products and also Apple. Products are not merely hardware, Apple on the other hand is known for updating their 4 or 5 years old iPhone with the latest OS. As for parts, it is easy to find spare parts for most Japanese brands.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Computers/Internet; Reference
KEYWORDS: apple; applefanboi; computers; laptop; paidspokesman; plannedobsolescence
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To: sevlex

I hate touch pads. I use a Lenovo and love the red stick mouse/pointer or “nipple” at the center of the keyboard.

I wish someone would invent a tiny version of that that plugs into the USB on the right side of the keyboard and nearly flush with it. It would be like a “pinky joy stick” (no jokes please).


61 posted on 06/19/2019 12:06:14 PM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

I too love the Lenovo “nipple” mouse.

I wish someone would invent a tiny version that plugs into the USB and is flush with the right side of the keyboard. A pinky joy stick.


62 posted on 06/19/2019 12:09:00 PM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: fireman15

I started off buying IBM laptops and then Lenovo’s when IBM stopped selling them, and I have to say their reliability, service docs, ease of maintenance and expansion are all excellent.

I recently used an HP laptop (high end I think, I don’t remember the model name), and it seemed more solid. Then I tried to upgrade the hard drive or RAM or something and I realized why. On a Lenovo, there are little doors for all that stuff. You can typically physically swap a hard drive in three minutes or less. RAM upgrades in similar time if the slot is on the back, maybe 20 minutes if it’s under the keyboard. Now the HP, have to take off the whole back of the machine, then burrow down removing stuff that’s on top of the thing you want to replace/upgrade. So the stiffer feel comes from the more monolithic construction, but it isn’t worth it if you ever have to work on anything. (And the Lenovo’s don’t feel crappy or tinny, just not as stiff as the HP)


63 posted on 06/19/2019 12:27:56 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: fireman15

I have one of those Lenovos. I could even play games on it because it had a separate video card.


64 posted on 06/19/2019 12:38:12 PM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; 5thGenTexan; AbolishCSEU; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; ...
Comparable repair rates of laptop computers, Apple comes out on top.—PING!


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65 posted on 06/19/2019 12:43:00 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: fireman15

Thanks for posting. . .


66 posted on 06/19/2019 12:43:36 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: fireman15

You’re just one of the lucky six sigma guys.

I have a five year old MacBook Pro that looks and performs like the day I got it. The only problem is one of the rubber feet fell off.


67 posted on 06/19/2019 12:46:50 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: fireman15

What’s a laptop?

I run a decent business from my iPad air

It’s six years old too

Including a large car wash program that remotely governs my cashiers at 8 sites

It’s incredible

My dad’s ticker tape computer took up an office trailer and huge air conditioning needs since it had to be cold

130,000 in 1969 money

Just for Billings and payroll

A large contracting company


68 posted on 06/19/2019 12:50:57 PM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: PIF

I don’t see any value in buying Apple’s grossly over priced hardware in order to run Win or Linux.


69 posted on 06/19/2019 12:53:52 PM PDT by TheTimeOfMan (The Eloi unexpectedly protected the Morlocks from rogue Eloi as they themselves prepared to be eaten)
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To: Yo-Yo
“Products are not merely hardware, Apple on the other hand is known for updating their 4 or 5 year old iphone with the latest OS.”

HA! Tell that to my still perfectly functional iPhone 5C that is stuck on iOS 10.3.3.

Release date of the iPhone 5c was September 20, 2013, almost SIX years ago.

The iPhone 5C is a 32 bit device and all versions of iOS after iOS 10 are 64 bit only. It cannot handle those updates. iOS 11 was released on September 19, 2017, four years after the release of the iPhone 5C, the same date they released of the iOS 10.3.3 update for all earlier iPhones.

70 posted on 06/19/2019 12:54:58 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: pfflier
Even stranger is the comments on the site says this is 2009 data.

That was referring to the link in comments to the Square Trade site link which had very old data. Square Trade usually works on out-of-warranty computers, and generally not very many Apple products. Few Apple users send their products to Square Trade. Usually Square Trade only gets Apple products from third-party refurbished products warranty resellers.

71 posted on 06/19/2019 1:01:46 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: dfwright
I also find it interesting that no mention is made of the fact that apple updates the older devices and slows them down, to force people to want upgrades.

No, that was not what slowed down the older devices. Older failing batteries were slowed down to keep the devices running to avoid the built-in (by the battery’s makers) automatic safety overdraw shut down caused by over heating.

By simply replacing the chemically depleted battery and an older Apple device would be either as fast, if not faster, than when it was new. This was amply demonstrated by millions of owners of Apple devices who did indeed replace their older depleted batteries and found that to be the case.

Apple had opted to keep the devices operational at a slower clock rate when the batteries got below their capability to provide the power demanded by the device and specific apps, rather than automatically shut down when an app pulled too much power from a depleted older battery to prevent catastrophic overheating and/or fire (something that is in the nature of lithium hydroxide batteries), leaving a user without communications in a possibly life threatening situation. The only way to reset an internal battery safety shut-down circuitry was to put the device on a charger, which might not be available.

72 posted on 06/19/2019 1:18:18 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: TheTimeOfMan

Other than building it yourself from parts from some electronics store, you will not get the same quality parts apple uses nor will you be able to meet the same specs with the same capabilities - case in point: the new Mac Pro (comparable very high end boxes will cost $160K and still not be identical nor will any other box drive 6 6k monitors simultaneously with no lag); same quality for the new lower priced less capable Apple boxes.


73 posted on 06/19/2019 1:25:49 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Ted Grant

I have a Samsung Tab S 10.5 but stopped using it.

What custom ROM would you recommend and why? Thanks.


74 posted on 06/19/2019 2:07:07 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: _Jim
I got through three lies in the first three things he claimed as being true. . . and I almost stopped watching. His first claim was about the NVIDIA graphics chip batch that was sold to almost every other laptop maker at the time, including Apple and his claim that Apple refused to honor warranties due to failure of a laptop to even boot up. That is completely false. If the laptop failed to boot, it was prima facie evidence it was DOA and would be replaced regardless of why it would not boot. Whether or not the logic board would be replaced or not was irrelevant. The NVDIA chip had nothing to do with booting or the white power light on the front of the case. If that did not come on, there was something else wrong with the computer than the graphics chip.

His next claim that the 2008 Unibody MacBook Pro was “glued” together that her than machined out of a single block of aircraft grade aluminum was ridiculous as he showed the gasket being glued for the screen. Absurd. . . Or that the hinges were screwed to the frame. I’ve unscrewed those hinges. They are anything but thin pieces of frame... “that fail after a few years of use” compared to the plastic pieces used on many other makers’ plastic frames. This is just a thinly disguised hit on Apple.

He then goes on to the completely non-existent iPhone 4 antenna issue, claiming that Steve Jobs joke about “you’re holding wrong was true.” The iPhone 4 was sold in the entire rest of the world with no attenuation problem and had actually no attenuation problem in real use. The problem existed only on AT&T network with overloaded networks at extreme ranges of cellular tower reach. Verizon versions had zero problems. Apple made no changes in any versions of the iPhone 4 antenna design and it went on to be at the time, the best selling phone in the world. It was a propaganda campaign engineered by Samsung. In actual fact, the ability of the iPhone 4 to send and receive signals was higher than any previous iPhone, even on weak signals. If you changed the on screen indicator from bars to actual signal strength to an S meter, as I did, you could see the actual signal strength readings, rather than a bar graph.

No where does this bozo tell anyone that Apple gave away what he calls a $29 fix for the “problem” and he out right says it added to the cost of the phone. That’s an outright lie. Many people did not even bother to ask for the free case because they were not having any problem.

The Capacitor “issue” he repeatedly claim exists. If there were such a huge problem, thousands of people would be claiming their MacBook Pro’s would be failing to boot due to a slightly undersized capacitor. They simply are not. It is a seldom mentioned problem, most likely due to a capacitor that is way below specs that is expected in production of capacitors. You do not over engineer parts that require more space/weight/cost due to a 1 in 1,000,000 potential failure rate of a minor part. Occasionally, a run of below spec parts may get through. However, every part that takes more power to run, also requires more battery power to support it. Capacitors fall into this category. They need to be charged up to provide the voltage this guy says they need to do their job. That power has to come from somewhere. Engineering decisions which he says he can do better than Apple.

Seriously, Louis Rossmann can list his “major” Apple engineering complaints in a 24 minute YouTube, spending at least five minutes on each one. . . And many of them are, in fact, bogus repetition of minor issues that Apple corrected or that did not in fact happen except in propaganda from Apple’s competitors or afflicted such a minor number of Apple users that they don’t even rise to a blip on the radar when compared to the failures of other makers.

75 posted on 06/19/2019 2:08:16 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: _Jim
This guy has never heard of Louis Rossmann ...

Louis Rossmann claims that Apple products fail within two or three years of use. I have been managing a lot of Apple products in an office environment for over 25 years. We’ve had ONE Apple product fail in that entire time. ONE. . . And that was after seven years of continuous use and the hard drive failed. Rossmann doesn’t have a clue about longevity of productive use of Apple products. I’ve owned Apple products for over thirty years and all of them have been handed down to family members. Only one failed. That was a power supply that failed after over twelve years of use. I replaced the power supply and the computer came back to life.

I have other clients who use various makes of Windows computer and they are lucky if they get three to four years out of any one computer before it fails. Three is the average on a desktop. Two on a laptop.

76 posted on 06/19/2019 2:17:23 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: Swordmaker

I don’t think you know who Louis Rossmann is, or what he’s been doing (low-level, component-level SMD board repair on Apple product) for the last - decade or so ...

I THINK he has basis for his complaints.

I give your basis for objection very little weight.


77 posted on 06/19/2019 2:22:47 PM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: TomGuy

I have a Samsung Galaxy TabPro S 12 inch. Been using it for years with no problems. I bought 4 store demo units, like new..traded one for an brand new Samsung Galaxy phone plus $180 cash, still have 3 of them.

Windows 10 Pro 64 bit, 4 GB ram, Intel core m3-6y30 1.51 GHz CPU, SSD. I use it as Tablet mostly but has a decent keyboard touchpad to use as laptop.

I have had Acer, Asus, HP, Toshiba laptops, all had problems and are either unfixable or too expensive to fix.


78 posted on 06/19/2019 2:24:12 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Swordmaker

re: “Louis Rossmann claims that Apple products fail within two or three years of use. I have been managing a lot of Apple products in an office ...”

You manage, Rossmann and his repair shop REPAIR units sent him by the public, in a lot cases AFTER Apple has quoted an unsuitable repair action or price.

It appears you are unaware of all this.


79 posted on 06/19/2019 2:26:09 PM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: Swordmaker

re: “I have other clients who use various makes of Windows computer and they are lucky if they get three to four years out of any one computer before it fails. “

I suggest that you buy quality product next time; I’ve got PCs back to the 386 days, still operable although the hard disks age and need replacing.

I have found the Dell business-class Optiplex desktops and Latitude laptops to give long life (if not abused).


80 posted on 06/19/2019 2:31:57 PM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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