Posted on 05/29/2019 12:37:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
May 27, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — Speaking with one of the best-known conservative Jews, Dennis Prager, at the PragerU summit last week, world-famous psychologist Jordan Peterson spoke of God and his views of faith. After speaking about his dislike for the question ‘Do you believe in God?’ Peterson said, “I think that Catholicism — that's as sane as people can get.”
Peterson has often been asked about his faith, if he believes in God, and he said the question has always troubled him. He promised a podcast on the matter since he has given his dislike for the question much thought.
He explained, “Who would have the audacity to claim that they believed in God if they examined the way they lived? Who would dare say that?”
“To believe, in a Christian sense,” he added, “means that you live it out fully and that's an that's an unbearable task in some sense.”
Then in one long drawn-out, rapid-fire thought, the type that has enthralled his millions of fans, he laid out extemporaneously the vision of a believer in God:
“To be able to accept the structure of existence, the suffering that goes along with it and the disappointment and the betrayal, and to nonetheless act properly; to aim at the good with all your heart; to dispense with the malevolence and your desire for destruction and revenge and all of that; and to face things courageously and to tell the truth to speak the truth and to act it out, that's what it means to believe -- that's what it means -- it doesn't mean to state it, it means to act it out. And, unless you act it out you should be very careful about claiming it. And so, I've never been comfortable saying anything other than I try to act as if God exists because God only knows what you'd be if you truly believed.”
See the full exchange of Peterson and Prager here.
The only thing of "substance" I've ever seen you post is your little scorecard.
At least Luircin brings something to the table worth reading.
Placemarker
You literally do not know even the first thing about the Blessed Sacrament of the Altar--- not even things our Catholic schoolchildren at my parish would know, and which you could learn by spending 15 minutes with a Catechism.
(1) The Sacrament is not "bloody" because Jesus does not suffer and shed his blood anew. (2) The Sacrament is not a re-sacrificing of Jesus. Jesus offered himself once for all (Heb. 7:27; 9:28). Your entire criticism is based upon a false premise.
That is why I continue to urge you are your colleagues to stop telling me what "I" believe or what "Cathlics" believe, because you do not know. Your errors start at a stumble on Step One, and stumble on from there.
You misrepresent me, and misrepresent the Church.
You ought to tell us what YOU believe. That would be of interest, and would be a subject you actually know something about.
If you wish to address Catholicism, you should address it via questions (which is well within your competence) and not answers (which is not.)
I would observe the same courtesy toward you, refraining from comment on the faith of you and your fellows, about which I know little to nothing, and asking questions of you rather than making ridiculous pronunicamentos about you.
Luircin has Christ.
That’s all he needs.
Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.
The alleged unbloody sacrifice that Catholicism claims to either offer or participate in is NOT one and the same as Calvary.
How is it that you can make such an absurd and
insulting assumption?
I received our risen Lord and Savior
Christ Jesus in Holy Communion
only a mere nine hours ago and
from my very baptism there
He remains permanently in my heart
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I’m in the “words in context mean what they say” camp. ;o)
Our divine victim was offered to God from the first instant of the incarnation. Then during thirty years, in the silence of Nazareth, as well as during the three years of the public life, the victim continued His sacrifice, preparing for the immolation. The bloody immolation took place on Calvary. Then while the divine victim was transformed by the glory of the Resurrection and the Ascension, this sacrificial state was perpetuated on our altars so that by the most wonderful prodigy of love, the most intimate communion between God and man can take place, and every day, we receive and commune with the victim of Calvary (p4).
Christ had always before His eyes His mission of Redeemer. He never lost sight of Calvary, continually preparing for His immolation (p37).
To be acceptable to God, a victim must be innocent and pure. In the OT the victims destined for the immolation had to be spotless:..(p77).
After the immolation the victim is consumed by the people (p133).
Source: Rev Joseph Bruneau, S.S.D.D. Professor of Dogmatic Theology at St. Mary's Seminary, Our Priesthood, Baltimore, MD. 1911.Nihil Obstat - M.F.Dinneen, S.S.D.D.; Imprimatur - James Card.Gibbons
https://archive.org/details/ourpriesthood00brunuoft
There's more from this book. I haven't finished reading it yet.
It reminds me of the Faith of Millions by another Roman Catholic priest most Roman Catholics don't like for obvious reasons.
Any ambiguity in terms is on the writer of the book.
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What great care is to be taken, that the sacred and holy sacrifice of the mass be celebrated with all religious service and veneration, each one may easily imagine, who considers, that, in holy writ, he is called accursed, who doth the work of God negligently; and if we must needs confess, that no other work can be performed by the faithful so holy and divine as this tremendous mystery itself, wherein that life-giving victim, by which we were reconciled to the Father, is daily immolated on the altar by priests, it is also sufficiently clear, that all industry and diligence is to be applied to this end, that it be performed with the greatest possible inward cleanness and purity of heart, and outward show of devotion and piety.
http://www.thecounciloftrent.com/ch22.htm
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Definition of immolation: killing or offering as a sacrifice. https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/immolation
verb (used with object), im·mo·lat·ed, im·mo·lat·ing. to sacrifice. to kill as a sacrificial victim, as by fire; offer in sacrifice. to destroy by fire. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/immolate
That may indeed be true
That’s all he needs.
Christ Jesus is all anyone needs.
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I think you forgot the list of mortal and venial sins.
+1
Here's a good suggestion for you on that topic: Living Tradition (Viva Voce - Whatever We Say)
It's pretty difficult to defend both the "unanimous consent of the fathers" and the "development of doctrine" without exposing the blatant contradiction between them.
I believe I can live with that. 😁😆👍
Is that something that prevents you
from becoming fully Catholic?
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You are right if there is contradiction. If you know one off top of your head, I would like to mull it and read about it. Thanks.
One of the things that prevents me from even wanting to go back to being a Roman Catholic is that I would have to give up my assurance of salvation that God promised me when I received Jesus Christ as my Savior. I would be accused of committing the "sin of presumption" - odd since denying that we can KNOW we have eternal life is like calling God a liar. I won't do that and I suggest others shouldn't do it either!
Go ahead and read the article I linked to, then we can discuss further if you’d like.
Try again, using a sacramental (Catholic or Orthodox) definition.
You can click on that.
"Immolation" means the same as "sacrifice." If you make the error of insisting that it must always entail the bloody death of a victim, you'll have to explain it that way in other NT contexts. This is a misinterpretation:
Romans 12:1Please take into consideration the many contexts in which sacrifice/immolation does not entail the bloody slaughter of a victim.
I urge you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God, your spiritual worship.Philippians 4:18
I have received full payment and I abound. I am very well supplied because of what I received from you through Epaphroditus, “a fragrant aroma,” an acceptable sacrifice, pleasing to God.Philippians 2:17
But even if I am being poured out like a drink offering on the sacrifice and service coming from your faith, I am glad and rejoice.Hebrews 13:16
And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.1 Peter 2:5
you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifice acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
In addition to these NT contexts, a good one to consider is perfect offering to be offered in the times foreseen by Malachi, among the Gentiles (nations):
Malachi 1:11This prophecy of pure offering foreseen by Malachi, occurring in the future time where God's Holy Name is great among the Gentiles, is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
My Name will be great among the Gentiles (nations), from where the sun rises to where it sets. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to Me, because My Name will be great among the nations,” says the Lord Almighty.
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