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Jordan Peterson on Catholicism: ‘That’s as sane as people can get’
LifeSiteNews ^ | May 27, 2019 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 05/29/2019 12:37:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

May 27, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — Speaking with one of the best-known conservative Jews, Dennis Prager, at the PragerU summit last week, world-famous psychologist Jordan Peterson spoke of God and his views of faith. After speaking about his dislike for the question ‘Do you believe in God?’ Peterson said, “I think that Catholicism — that's as sane as people can get.”

Peterson has often been asked about his faith, if he believes in God, and he said the question has always troubled him. He promised a podcast on the matter since he has given his dislike for the question much thought.

He explained, “Who would have the audacity to claim that they believed in God if they examined the way they lived? Who would dare say that?”

“To believe, in a Christian sense,” he added, “means that you live it out fully and that's an that's an unbearable task in some sense.”

Then in one long drawn-out, rapid-fire thought, the type that has enthralled his millions of fans, he laid out extemporaneously the vision of a believer in God:

“To be able to accept the structure of existence, the suffering that goes along with it and the disappointment and the betrayal, and to nonetheless act properly; to aim at the good with all your heart; to dispense with the malevolence and your desire for destruction and revenge and all of that; and to face things courageously and to tell the truth to speak the truth and to act it out, that's what it means to believe -- that's what it means -- it doesn't mean to state it, it means to act it out. And, unless you act it out you should be very careful about claiming it. And so, I've never been comfortable saying anything other than I try to act as if God exists because God only knows what you'd be if you truly believed.”

See the full exchange of Peterson and Prager here.


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To: infool7; Luircin
No, you got nothing. No bonifides, No councils, No authority, No credibility, No clue. 7

The only thing of "substance" I've ever seen you post is your little scorecard.

At least Luircin brings something to the table worth reading.

121 posted on 05/30/2019 6:18:41 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Placemarker


122 posted on 05/30/2019 6:21:40 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: metmom; MHGinTN; aMorePerfectUnion; Luircin; boatbums; infool7; cornelis; amihow
That's ok....we're still waiting on these centuries of dogmatically defined verses by Roman Catholicism.
123 posted on 05/30/2019 6:24:04 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: MHGinTN
"...not some bloody continuously slaughtered victim for you Catholics to feed upon. "

You literally do not know even the first thing about the Blessed Sacrament of the Altar--- not even things our Catholic schoolchildren at my parish would know, and which you could learn by spending 15 minutes with a Catechism.

(1) The Sacrament is not "bloody" because Jesus does not suffer and shed his blood anew. (2) The Sacrament is not a re-sacrificing of Jesus. Jesus offered himself once for all (Heb. 7:27; 9:28). Your entire criticism is based upon a false premise.

That is why I continue to urge you are your colleagues to stop telling me what "I" believe or what "Cathlics" believe, because you do not know. Your errors start at a stumble on Step One, and stumble on from there.

You misrepresent me, and misrepresent the Church.

You ought to tell us what YOU believe. That would be of interest, and would be a subject you actually know something about.

If you wish to address Catholicism, you should address it via questions (which is well within your competence) and not answers (which is not.)

I would observe the same courtesy toward you, refraining from comment on the faith of you and your fellows, about which I know little to nothing, and asking questions of you rather than making ridiculous pronunicamentos about you.

124 posted on 05/30/2019 6:36:05 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you: to act justly, to love tenderly, and to walk humbly with your God)
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To: infool7; Luircin

Luircin has Christ.

That’s all he needs.


125 posted on 05/30/2019 6:54:46 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; MHGinTN

Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.

The alleged unbloody sacrifice that Catholicism claims to either offer or participate in is NOT one and the same as Calvary.


126 posted on 05/30/2019 6:59:44 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: MHGinTN
And ‘you got no Risen Jesus’. Die with it and you get the reward of hell.

How is it that you can make such an absurd and

insulting assumption?

I received our risen Lord and Savior

Christ Jesus in Holy Communion

only a mere nine hours ago and

from my very baptism there

He remains permanently in my heart

7

127 posted on 05/30/2019 7:07:10 PM PDT by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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To: ealgeone; Mark17; metmom

I’m in the “words in context mean what they say” camp. ;o)


128 posted on 05/30/2019 7:12:57 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; MHGinTN; aMorePerfectUnion; metmom; boatbums; Mom MD
(1) The Sacrament is not "bloody" because Jesus does not suffer and shed his blood anew. (2) The Sacrament is not a re-sacrificing of Jesus. Jesus offered himself once for all (Heb. 7:27; 9:28). Your entire criticism is based upon a false premise.

Our divine victim was offered to God from the first instant of the incarnation. Then during thirty years, in the silence of Nazareth, as well as during the three years of the public life, the victim continued His sacrifice, preparing for the immolation. The bloody immolation took place on Calvary. Then while the divine victim was transformed by the glory of the Resurrection and the Ascension, this sacrificial state was perpetuated on our altars so that by the most wonderful prodigy of love, the most intimate communion between God and man can take place, and every day, we receive and commune with the victim of Calvary (p4).

Christ had always before His eyes His mission of Redeemer. He never lost sight of Calvary, continually preparing for His immolation (p37).

To be acceptable to God, a victim must be innocent and pure. In the OT the victims destined for the immolation had to be spotless:..(p77).

After the immolation the victim is consumed by the people (p133).

Source: Rev Joseph Bruneau, S.S.D.D. Professor of Dogmatic Theology at St. Mary's Seminary, Our Priesthood, Baltimore, MD. 1911.Nihil Obstat - M.F.Dinneen, S.S.D.D.; Imprimatur - James Card.Gibbons

https://archive.org/details/ourpriesthood00brunuoft

There's more from this book. I haven't finished reading it yet.

It reminds me of the Faith of Millions by another Roman Catholic priest most Roman Catholics don't like for obvious reasons.

Any ambiguity in terms is on the writer of the book.

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What great care is to be taken, that the sacred and holy sacrifice of the mass be celebrated with all religious service and veneration, each one may easily imagine, who considers, that, in holy writ, he is called accursed, who doth the work of God negligently; and if we must needs confess, that no other work can be performed by the faithful so holy and divine as this tremendous mystery itself, wherein that life-giving victim, by which we were reconciled to the Father, is daily immolated on the altar by priests, it is also sufficiently clear, that all industry and diligence is to be applied to this end, that it be performed with the greatest possible inward cleanness and purity of heart, and outward show of devotion and piety.

http://www.thecounciloftrent.com/ch22.htm

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Definition of immolation: killing or offering as a sacrifice. https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/immolation

verb (used with object), im·mo·lat·ed, im·mo·lat·ing. to sacrifice. to kill as a sacrificial victim, as by fire; offer in sacrifice. to destroy by fire. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/immolate

129 posted on 05/30/2019 7:14:14 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom
Luircin has Christ.

That may indeed be true

That’s all he needs.

Christ Jesus is all anyone needs.

7

130 posted on 05/30/2019 7:14:49 PM PDT by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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To: infool7

I think you forgot the list of mortal and venial sins.


131 posted on 05/30/2019 7:18:40 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums

+1


132 posted on 05/30/2019 7:18:53 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: amihow; aMorePerfectUnion
Remembering that Vatican II was a restatement and development of doctrine in more understandable modern language. Then read Cardinal Newman on the development of dogma.

Here's a good suggestion for you on that topic: Living Tradition (Viva Voce - Whatever We Say)

It's pretty difficult to defend both the "unanimous consent of the fathers" and the "development of doctrine" without exposing the blatant contradiction between them.

133 posted on 05/30/2019 7:33:23 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums
I’m in the “words in context mean what they say” camp. ;o)

I believe I can live with that. 😁😆👍

134 posted on 05/30/2019 7:36:57 PM PDT by Mark17 (What, exactly, was the "only evil continually," that was going on in the days of Noah?)
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To: boatbums
I think you forgot the list of mortal and venial sins.

Is that something that prevents you

from becoming fully Catholic?

7

135 posted on 05/30/2019 7:39:06 PM PDT by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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To: boatbums

You are right if there is contradiction. If you know one off top of your head, I would like to mull it and read about it. Thanks.


136 posted on 05/30/2019 7:41:20 PM PDT by amihow
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To: MHGinTN
Conflating The Church made up of ALL BELIEVRS in Jesus as their Lord and Savior across time, with the institutional Org known as Catholicism is a form of deception.

There is one holy catholic and apostolic Church, from the days of the apostles to this day. The Church at Rome is confirmed in the scriptures as prima facie evidence.

  • Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
  • (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
  • Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
  • And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
  • By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
  • Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
  • To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
  • First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.


Romans, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses one to eight,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

137 posted on 05/30/2019 7:44:27 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: infool7
If you're going to post a list of all the things someone who wants to become "fully Catholic" needs, shouldn't you include the list of mortal and venial sins, too? I've seen it posted before.

One of the things that prevents me from even wanting to go back to being a Roman Catholic is that I would have to give up my assurance of salvation that God promised me when I received Jesus Christ as my Savior. I would be accused of committing the "sin of presumption" - odd since denying that we can KNOW we have eternal life is like calling God a liar. I won't do that and I suggest others shouldn't do it either!

138 posted on 05/30/2019 7:56:04 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: amihow

Go ahead and read the article I linked to, then we can discuss further if you’d like.


139 posted on 05/30/2019 7:57:26 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: ealgeone
Context error: to force a non-sacramental definition of "immolation" into a different, sacramental usage.

Try again, using a sacramental (Catholic or Orthodox) definition.

You can click on that.

"Immolation" means the same as "sacrifice." If you make the error of insisting that it must always entail the bloody death of a victim, you'll have to explain it that way in other NT contexts. This is a misinterpretation:

Romans 12:1
I urge you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God, your spiritual worship.

Philippians 4:18
I have received full payment and I abound. I am very well supplied because of what I received from you through Epaphroditus, “a fragrant aroma,” an acceptable sacrifice, pleasing to God.

Philippians 2:17
But even if I am being poured out like a drink offering on the sacrifice and service coming from your faith, I am glad and rejoice.

Hebrews 13:16
And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.

1 Peter 2:5
you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifice acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Please take into consideration the many contexts in which sacrifice/immolation does not entail the bloody slaughter of a victim.

In addition to these NT contexts, a good one to consider is perfect offering to be offered in the times foreseen by Malachi, among the Gentiles (nations):

Malachi 1:11
My Name will be great among the Gentiles (nations), from where the sun rises to where it sets. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to Me, because My Name will be great among the nations,” says the Lord Almighty.

This prophecy of pure offering foreseen by Malachi, occurring in the future time where God's Holy Name is great among the Gentiles, is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
140 posted on 05/30/2019 7:59:45 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you: to act justly, to love tenderly, and to walk humbly with your God)
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