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Eisenhower Came Out of Retirement to Denounce the Movie “Battle of the Bulge”
War History Online ^ | 29jul19 | Matthew Gaskill

Posted on 03/30/2019 3:09:38 AM PDT by vannrox

Eisenhower Came Out of Retirement to Denounce the Movie “Battle of the Bulge”

Jul 29, 2018 Matthew Gaskill
 
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One of the most beloved war stories ever filmed is that of HBO’s “Band of Brothers” (2001), based on Stephen Ambrose’ 1992 book by the same name. Now, the series was meticulously researched, and not only were military experts consulted on everything from uniforms to hatches to bullets, but the men of Easy Company were there virtually every step of the way.

Look carefully at the scene of Dutch liberation – Edward “Babe” Heffron, E Company veteran, has a cameo as an old man drinking wine at a table.

When Major Dick Winters died a few years ago, Tom Hanks did an interview about him after his service. He related how when initially talking to Winters, Hanks told him that in the best of movies you can hope for maybe twelve percent accuracy. In this case, we were going for seventeen, Hanks said he told the veteran officer.

When the film finally came out, most of the veterans were satisfied, but a number of them pointed out some glaring errors in memoirs they wrote after the series had been out for a time. Still, virtually all of them were satisfied that the overall result depicted their personalities, the events and the sight and sounds accurately enough.

Now, imagine if, after the preview of the first couple of episodes, Dick Winters and the other survivors of E Company had organized a press interview and said something like “We totally disavow this series – it is nothing like what we experienced, and it is a poor excuse for a film.” Virtually no one would have watched it, and the series wouldn’t have the shelf life that it has today as one of the greatest depictions of WWII ever filmed.

That is exactly what happened in 1965 when the movie “The Battle of the Bulge” was released, but instead of a major, the SUPREME ALLIED COMMANDER IN EUROPE and 34th President of the United States, Dwight D. Eisenhower came out of retirement to denounce the film as “historically inaccurate”. Eisenhower and others (veterans and critics both) criticized virtually everything about the film, from its setting to its equipment to its time-line.SHAEF commander Gen. Eisenhower walks by an overturned Tiger II. The overlapping, non-interleaved steel-rim roadwheel arrangement is visible.

Even if you don’t know anything about WWII, the film is sub-par. Even taking into account the film making style of the time, the dialogue is stilted, the battle scenes are contrived and very obviously choreographed (there are so many men getting hit by bullets or shrapnel, stopping in their tracks with their hands to their chests or stomachs,without blood, and slowly falling to the ground. If I had a dollar for each one, I would be rich.

It’s clear that the film-makers had no conception of what actual combat was like, and what’s worse, it seems obvious that what technical advisers they did have must have been ignored on this point, if they were consulted at all.

The main technical adviser was an ex-Wehrmacht colonel, Meinrad von Lauchert, and perhaps the film reflects that, spending as much or more time on the Germans than on the Americans. In what is perhaps the best or most memorable scene in the movie, Robert Shaw, who is playing a fictional character of SS Panzer leader Jochen Peiper, leads his despondent men in a rousing version of the “Panzer Lied”, the Wehrmacht tank branches’ fight song. That scene lasts about five minutes – the film is 167 minutes long.

What are some of the inaccuracies in the film?

First, the tanks. The battle involved thousands of tanks and armored vehicles on both sides. On screen, one can’t realistically show that – especially in 1965 before CGI, but enough tanks could be on screen at one time to give the impression of strength. Problem is, most of the tanks are American M-47 Patton tanks that were not produced until…six years after WWII.

Which means, among other things, that the Germans didn’t have any, but in the film, the German “Tigers” are painted Pattons. There was not even an attempt to use wood to alter their shape. A German insignia was simply slapped on American tanks.M47 Patton tank in service with the Bundeswehr, 1960.

Secondly – there is virtually no snow. The movie was filmed on the plains of Spain. Of course, the Bulge was fought in December/January 1944-5, in one of the worst winters on record, so there was snow everywhere.

Not in Spain. What “snow” is on film is spray painted on the ground. Also, there are very few trees, except for a couple of scenes. The Battle of the Bulge took place entirely in the Ardennes Forest. Enough said.U.S. infantrymen of the 9th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Infantry Division, First U.S. Army, crouch in a snow-filled ditch, taking shelter from a German artillery barrage during the Battle of Heartbreak Crossroads in the Krinkelter woods on 14 December 1944.

When Henry Fonda takes to the air to scout German positions, again they are in the desert looking surroundings of Spain, but “snowflakes” swirl around the plane. Furthermore,  he is flying in a Cessna L-19 Bird Dog, which was not made until the 1950’s.

In the intro to the film, the narrator states that British Field Marshal Montgomery’s Eighth Army is in the north (of the Bulge) and Patton’s Third Army is to the south.

Some points: Firstly, Montgomery commanded the 21st Army Group, not just an army. Second: the Eighth Army was fighting in Italy, not northern Europe. Third, the narration implies that Patton’s Third Army was the sole US army to the south of the Bulge. Again, Third Army was just part of the total US force in northern Europe.General Omar Bradley, General Dwight Eisenhower, and General George Patton, all graduates of West Point, survey war damage in Bastogne, Belgium

Never mentioned is the fact that Eisenhower gave command of the US forces on the north shoulder of the Bulge to Montgomery. Not a popular move among US troops at the time, but a historical fact which the film overlooks.

Towards the end of the film, the German spearhead approaches a huge US fuel depot, which Henry Fonda and others blow up in their faces. In the film, it seems that if the Germans do not capture this one particular depot, their drive is over. This was not the case.

Yes, the Germans were low on fuel, and the movie accurately depicts this, but they never had in mind one particular depot, and did not generally know where the American supplies were kept – they were hoping to overrun them in the course of the battle.Soldiers of the 161st Chemical Smoke Generating Company, U.S. Third Army, move a barrel of oil in preparation to refilling an M-2 smoke generator, which spews forth a heavy cloud of white smoke. These men are engaged in laying a smoke screen to cover bridge building activities across the Saar River near Wallerfangen, Germany, December 1944

After Eisenhower’s talk, the producers of the film came out to defend it, stating that they wanted to capture the feeling of the battle, not its actual moments. Critics, while generally panning the film, agreed that it was made for younger audiences, who may not have known much about the battle twenty years later, and who wanted “action”.

Take a look for yourself, if you can stand it.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; History; Military/Veterans; Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: antwerpoffensive; battle; battleofthebulge; bulge; eisenhower; history; militarygeek; movie; worldwareleven
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the link.


81 posted on 03/30/2019 11:02:49 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Peter W. Kessler

I have been to Bastogne and it is hard to get the perspective of the battle there as WW 2 battles stretched over miles. If you want a compact battle site in Belgium go to Waterloo. For compact WW 2 battle area, go to Normandy. I have been there 4 times and want to go back.


82 posted on 03/30/2019 11:03:02 AM PDT by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: Peter W. Kessler

Tora, Tora, Tora, was made earlier and pretty accurate as far as the ships and aircraft were concerned


83 posted on 03/30/2019 11:08:39 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: vannrox

My late Dad (WWII combat vet) loathed the movie. I once asked him what was wrong and he said, “They’re too @#$%!! clean!”


84 posted on 03/30/2019 11:20:16 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: PAR35

My pleasure. And you can get digital copies of all of CMH’s official Army history volumes on their main publications catalog: https://history.army.mil/catalog/browse/author.html

They are “free” to download. I use the quotation marks around “free” in that you’ve already paid for them with your tax dollars.


85 posted on 03/30/2019 11:39:50 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar
I wonder if the Pershing model had a more capable turret turning mechanism . . .
The Sherman and Pershing tanks had electric powered traverse for turning the turret, with a manual backup. The German tanks only had a manual traverse.
I thought that must have been the case. Didn’t the Sherman (and Pershing) have gyro stabilized aim and the ability to aim while rolling?
As far as the Pershing crew getting off the 2nd shot quicker than the German crew would indicate better crew training, but it could be that there was damage from the initial hit on the Tiger by the Pershing.

I’m quite glad that our M60’s had electric traverse as I got to experience manual traversing the turret one time when we had electrical problems — multiple turns of the traverse wheel for each inch of movement.

. . . which would seem to accord with my recollection of the story that the Tiger never got off a shot. Tiger was great at pot-shooting light Shermans - but when the adversary had comparable knockout power at the range of the encounter, slower traversing capability could be a fatal liability. It could also have been as you said, the Pershing crew would snap off a shot at the body of the Tiger first, even if that was unlikely to do more than transiently affect the Tiger’s crew. Then correct their aim to (the bottom of) the turret, and blow it off the other tank. That would be plenty exciting, to put it mildly.

86 posted on 03/30/2019 11:42:50 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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To: mfish13
For compact WW 2 battle area, go to Normandy. I have been there 4 times and want to go back.
Never been, but plan to this spring. Thanks for the encouragement.

Any particular suggestions? Will be on a tour . . .


87 posted on 03/30/2019 11:49:20 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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To: GreyFriar

Or in this case, my parents and grandparents paid for them.

I read a few things from there years ago, but I had forgotten about the resource.


88 posted on 03/30/2019 12:06:47 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

“Didn’t the Sherman (and Pershing) have gyro stabilized aim and the ability to aim while rolling?” Yes they did, and so did the M-24 Chaffee light tank that replaced the M-3/5 Stuart.


89 posted on 03/30/2019 12:41:18 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

The song was set up perfectly. Robert Shaw accusing his tank commanders of being “just boys”. The all looked very young. Then the blondest one started the singing. I thought Shaw(Col. Kessler) would blow a fuse-he was so straight laced. He knew the war was lost but the song brought out the true attitudes and feelings of his role in the war.


90 posted on 03/30/2019 12:49:12 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: gbaker

Yes and they actually used Sherman tanks in the film.


91 posted on 03/30/2019 12:55:57 PM PDT by princeofdarkness (Leftists. Their only response to failure is to double down.)
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To: Billthedrill

“They’re too @#$%!! clean!”

My dad’s cousin has an interview on-line done by a college kid. He was advanced recon, and he talks quite a bit about the Battle of the Bulge, the surrender, the prison camps, etc.

The kid asked him about clothing, and iirc he said he never got a new uniform - just the one set for the duration. At one point in passing through an empty town they grabbed some sweaters and stuff from a store.

When he first got there he was surprised at the vets giving him their pork and beans c-rations. He loved those. Until he made it up to the fighting, with all of the pigs eating the human remains lying in the ditches.


92 posted on 03/30/2019 2:01:26 PM PDT by 21twelve (!)
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To: vannrox

It was a poor movie. Very poor.


93 posted on 03/30/2019 5:15:14 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just hava few days that don't suck.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Omaha Beach over Utah. Walk from the cemetery to the beach. There are private museums to the south exit off Omaha. Very worthy. Arromanches and it’s museum. Go to drink at the Mary Celeste and see if Peter is still serving drinks. He is English. Pointe du hoc is incredible. I assume you have you hotels set as you are in a tour. Hotel de la Marine near the museum of Arromanches is cool. The museum in Caen.

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94 posted on 03/30/2019 8:15:41 PM PDT by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: Sequoyah101

It seems to me the old movie “Battle Ground” was kind of the gold standard for war movies back then. A lot of what really happened and was endured by our troops wouldn’t be suitable for civilian audiences. Books such as Stephen Ambrose’s book “Citizen Soldier” or Gene Sledges’ book “With the Old Breed” include details many wouldn’t want to hear. I worked with men that fought in WWII. None talked of the killing or dieing. Just the home coming and drunken escapades. I learned early on not to ask about the dark times. As a high school kid they made a huge impression. They taught me a very true lesson. “when you get home you’ll find your girl friend just like you left her”. I came back and it was true.


95 posted on 03/30/2019 8:35:21 PM PDT by Equine1952 (Get yourself a ticket on a common mans train of thought)
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To: vannrox

Battle of the Bulge, is easily the worst war movie ever made.


96 posted on 03/30/2019 8:36:16 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Movi like this one, or The Longest Day, were about giving as many Hollywood stars cameo appearances as possible.

Yeah, but at least The Longest Day had this.....


97 posted on 03/30/2019 8:40:52 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: hanamizu

The World At War is still the best war documentary ever made.


98 posted on 03/30/2019 8:43:20 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: a fool in paradise

I understand Samuel L. Fury got cat scratch fever in Captain Marvel. I’ll never see it, but it’s reliable info.


99 posted on 03/30/2019 8:46:00 PM PDT by Rastus
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