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Eisenhower Came Out of Retirement to Denounce the Movie “Battle of the Bulge”
War History Online ^ | 29jul19 | Matthew Gaskill

Posted on 03/30/2019 3:09:38 AM PDT by vannrox

Eisenhower Came Out of Retirement to Denounce the Movie “Battle of the Bulge”

Jul 29, 2018 Matthew Gaskill
 
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One of the most beloved war stories ever filmed is that of HBO’s “Band of Brothers” (2001), based on Stephen Ambrose’ 1992 book by the same name. Now, the series was meticulously researched, and not only were military experts consulted on everything from uniforms to hatches to bullets, but the men of Easy Company were there virtually every step of the way.

Look carefully at the scene of Dutch liberation – Edward “Babe” Heffron, E Company veteran, has a cameo as an old man drinking wine at a table.

When Major Dick Winters died a few years ago, Tom Hanks did an interview about him after his service. He related how when initially talking to Winters, Hanks told him that in the best of movies you can hope for maybe twelve percent accuracy. In this case, we were going for seventeen, Hanks said he told the veteran officer.

When the film finally came out, most of the veterans were satisfied, but a number of them pointed out some glaring errors in memoirs they wrote after the series had been out for a time. Still, virtually all of them were satisfied that the overall result depicted their personalities, the events and the sight and sounds accurately enough.

Now, imagine if, after the preview of the first couple of episodes, Dick Winters and the other survivors of E Company had organized a press interview and said something like “We totally disavow this series – it is nothing like what we experienced, and it is a poor excuse for a film.” Virtually no one would have watched it, and the series wouldn’t have the shelf life that it has today as one of the greatest depictions of WWII ever filmed.

That is exactly what happened in 1965 when the movie “The Battle of the Bulge” was released, but instead of a major, the SUPREME ALLIED COMMANDER IN EUROPE and 34th President of the United States, Dwight D. Eisenhower came out of retirement to denounce the film as “historically inaccurate”. Eisenhower and others (veterans and critics both) criticized virtually everything about the film, from its setting to its equipment to its time-line.SHAEF commander Gen. Eisenhower walks by an overturned Tiger II. The overlapping, non-interleaved steel-rim roadwheel arrangement is visible.

Even if you don’t know anything about WWII, the film is sub-par. Even taking into account the film making style of the time, the dialogue is stilted, the battle scenes are contrived and very obviously choreographed (there are so many men getting hit by bullets or shrapnel, stopping in their tracks with their hands to their chests or stomachs,without blood, and slowly falling to the ground. If I had a dollar for each one, I would be rich.

It’s clear that the film-makers had no conception of what actual combat was like, and what’s worse, it seems obvious that what technical advisers they did have must have been ignored on this point, if they were consulted at all.

The main technical adviser was an ex-Wehrmacht colonel, Meinrad von Lauchert, and perhaps the film reflects that, spending as much or more time on the Germans than on the Americans. In what is perhaps the best or most memorable scene in the movie, Robert Shaw, who is playing a fictional character of SS Panzer leader Jochen Peiper, leads his despondent men in a rousing version of the “Panzer Lied”, the Wehrmacht tank branches’ fight song. That scene lasts about five minutes – the film is 167 minutes long.

What are some of the inaccuracies in the film?

First, the tanks. The battle involved thousands of tanks and armored vehicles on both sides. On screen, one can’t realistically show that – especially in 1965 before CGI, but enough tanks could be on screen at one time to give the impression of strength. Problem is, most of the tanks are American M-47 Patton tanks that were not produced until…six years after WWII.

Which means, among other things, that the Germans didn’t have any, but in the film, the German “Tigers” are painted Pattons. There was not even an attempt to use wood to alter their shape. A German insignia was simply slapped on American tanks.M47 Patton tank in service with the Bundeswehr, 1960.

Secondly – there is virtually no snow. The movie was filmed on the plains of Spain. Of course, the Bulge was fought in December/January 1944-5, in one of the worst winters on record, so there was snow everywhere.

Not in Spain. What “snow” is on film is spray painted on the ground. Also, there are very few trees, except for a couple of scenes. The Battle of the Bulge took place entirely in the Ardennes Forest. Enough said.U.S. infantrymen of the 9th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Infantry Division, First U.S. Army, crouch in a snow-filled ditch, taking shelter from a German artillery barrage during the Battle of Heartbreak Crossroads in the Krinkelter woods on 14 December 1944.

When Henry Fonda takes to the air to scout German positions, again they are in the desert looking surroundings of Spain, but “snowflakes” swirl around the plane. Furthermore,  he is flying in a Cessna L-19 Bird Dog, which was not made until the 1950’s.

In the intro to the film, the narrator states that British Field Marshal Montgomery’s Eighth Army is in the north (of the Bulge) and Patton’s Third Army is to the south.

Some points: Firstly, Montgomery commanded the 21st Army Group, not just an army. Second: the Eighth Army was fighting in Italy, not northern Europe. Third, the narration implies that Patton’s Third Army was the sole US army to the south of the Bulge. Again, Third Army was just part of the total US force in northern Europe.General Omar Bradley, General Dwight Eisenhower, and General George Patton, all graduates of West Point, survey war damage in Bastogne, Belgium

Never mentioned is the fact that Eisenhower gave command of the US forces on the north shoulder of the Bulge to Montgomery. Not a popular move among US troops at the time, but a historical fact which the film overlooks.

Towards the end of the film, the German spearhead approaches a huge US fuel depot, which Henry Fonda and others blow up in their faces. In the film, it seems that if the Germans do not capture this one particular depot, their drive is over. This was not the case.

Yes, the Germans were low on fuel, and the movie accurately depicts this, but they never had in mind one particular depot, and did not generally know where the American supplies were kept – they were hoping to overrun them in the course of the battle.Soldiers of the 161st Chemical Smoke Generating Company, U.S. Third Army, move a barrel of oil in preparation to refilling an M-2 smoke generator, which spews forth a heavy cloud of white smoke. These men are engaged in laying a smoke screen to cover bridge building activities across the Saar River near Wallerfangen, Germany, December 1944

After Eisenhower’s talk, the producers of the film came out to defend it, stating that they wanted to capture the feeling of the battle, not its actual moments. Critics, while generally panning the film, agreed that it was made for younger audiences, who may not have known much about the battle twenty years later, and who wanted “action”.

Take a look for yourself, if you can stand it.



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To: Bartholomew Roberts

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61 posted on 03/30/2019 8:23:02 AM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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Hmmm...reminds me of Ike’s retirement speech!
Wonder why he never denounced his being pressured to take the word “congresional” out of his ret speech?
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Eisenhower Came Out of Retirement to Denounce the Movie “Battle of the Bulge””


62 posted on 03/30/2019 8:23:07 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Yeah, it was ok. The most jarring thing was the lack of snow. It’s like telling the story of D-Day and not having a beach in the picture.
There was not even any rain in the movie. Not surprising as it turns out because the rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain


63 posted on 03/30/2019 8:41:47 AM PDT by j.havenfarm ( 2,000 posts as of 1/16/19. A FReeper since 2000; never shutting up!)
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To: gunnyg

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64 posted on 03/30/2019 8:44:19 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: headstamp 2

All German tanks were gasoline and not diesels. Only the Russians really used diesels. I work for an event named Militracks, Europes biggest German combat vehicles festival. All of them have Maybach gas engines.


65 posted on 03/30/2019 8:53:08 AM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I liked the song.


66 posted on 03/30/2019 8:53:20 AM PDT by saminfl
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To: SoCal Pubbie; headstamp 2
Its always humorous to watch Telly Savalas riding around in a “Sherman” with the entire turret blown off like anybody in the tank could survive something like that. Or the Germans trying to get to the fuel dump to get gasoline when their tanks were typically diesels. - headstamp 2
It’s a common misconception that German tanks had Diesel engines. The Panzer IV, Panther, and Tiger tanks all had Maybach gasoline engines.
Yeah, I got that misconception from the movie, Patton. In which Patton asks Bradley what happened in a defeat, and one of the things Bradley says is, “Their tanks are diesels.”

I was so convinced that I Googled it to try to reconcile the Germans’ desire to capture gasoline with that putative “fact.” Thanks.

Tho it makes sense that diesel engines would give you more range, weight is actually a problem in tanks, and a lighter engine evidently makes sense, or the Abrams tanks probably wouldn’t have gas turbine engines.

WRT "riding around in a “Sherman” with the entire turret blown off like anybody in the tank could survive something like that,” I wouldn’t wanna be in a tank when its turret got blown off. But I also realize that there probably wasn’t (isn’t) a whole lot holding a turret down on a tank besides its own - hardly inconsiderable - weight. So it would seem that a crewman - esp if he wasn’t in the turret - might survive the decapitation of a tank’s turret.

My uncle was in a Sherman, and he described a duel between a Pershing tank and a Tiger. The Pershing got of the first shot, which missed. But it also got off the second shot, and that did knock the turret off the Tiger. I wonder if the Pershing model had a more capable turret turning mechanism . . .


67 posted on 03/30/2019 9:12:45 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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To: knighthawk

That makes sense in that I think burning alcohol fuel as an alternative is simpler with gasoline engines.

I own 1939 farm tractor that can run on kersone once started on gasoline.Noticeably more engine heat results when using kerosene.


68 posted on 03/30/2019 9:13:39 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Wpin

“The movie is very entertaining...getting your panties all scrunched up over a movie is pretty lame...”

That would be absolutely true if we had a proper educational system. Unfortunately, hollywood excreta IS our educational system.......


69 posted on 03/30/2019 9:16:25 AM PDT by NYAmerican
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Recently bought a late US Krag carbine. Full stocked and supposedly made for the Philippine constabulary. My friend said he was watching Hogan’s Heroes and was the German prison guards carrying Krags. I looked it up. When they took over Scandinavia they took over the Krag facilities and made up Nazi Krags for use by cooks, prison guards etc.


70 posted on 03/30/2019 9:16:38 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you . They)
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To: vannrox
Seems like modern artificial reality software might be able to improve the realism of the film, by appropriately modifying the appearance of the tanks.

71 posted on 03/30/2019 9:17:51 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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To: redfreedom

Young socialists of the 30s gave us red diaper doper babies of the 60s. It’s common lineage of to today. Look how many far left extremist radicals of the New Democrats of 1968 run Hollywood, academia, and the government today.


72 posted on 03/30/2019 9:41:52 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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To: Wpin

***getting your panties all scrunched up over a movie is pretty lame...***

Sadly today’s youth get their history lessons from Hollywood movies. Some even think LITTLE BIG MAN is actually the way it was for Custer. A fun film to watch but totally inaccurate, even the scenes that the voice over declares to be “Historical fact!” are false.


73 posted on 03/30/2019 9:53:01 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Political Junkie Too
That is not totally accurate.

At the time “The Longest Day” was made 20th Century Fox was almost bankrupt because of the cost overruns making “Cleopatra” with Elizabeth Taylor.

Darryl F. Zanuck was living and producing movies in Europe at the time and had acquired the rights to Ryan's book “The Longest Day”. He came back when the studio was on the brink as he was the largest stockholder in the company.

He persuaded the board to back him making that movie and got the idea of having all those cameos to sell the picture worldwide. It was ,I think ,a well made film on D-Day and was was certainly the Box Office shot in the arm the studio needed, it literally saved the studio from bankruptcy.

Zanuck ended up having to put his own money into the film to finish it like he wanted.

I have a VHS copy of that film Colorized and it is pretty good, you can't find that anymore and it's not available on DVD like that either.

A great film.

74 posted on 03/30/2019 10:06:03 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: srmanuel

Sounds interesting


75 posted on 03/30/2019 10:07:17 AM PDT by wardaddy (If we donÂ’t get some high ranking convictions from this failed coup....then they still won)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I think the biggest drawback with the Pershing was that it had the same engine as the Sherman but was a much heavier tank. That’s why they were converted to M-46 Pattons after the war. Among the upgrades was a bigger power plant.


76 posted on 03/30/2019 10:26:56 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: PAR35; Bartholomew Roberts; a fool in paradise; vannrox

Here is a link to Ziemke’s book that you should be able to download it as a .pdf file to your own computer. It is on the US Army Center of Military History’s website:

https://history.army.mil/html/books/030/30-6/index.html

“The U.S. Army in the Occupation of Germany, 1944-1946”
by Earl F. Ziemke


77 posted on 03/30/2019 10:40:41 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; SoCal Pubbie; headstamp 2

The Sherman and Pershing tanks had electric powered traverse for turning the turret, with a manual backup. The German tanks only had a manual traverse. As far as the Pershing crew getting off the 2nd shot quicker than the German crew would indicate better crew training, but it could be that there was damage from the initial hit on the Tiger by the Pershing.

I’m quite glad that our M60’s had electric traverse as I got to experience manual traversing the turret one time when we had electrical problems — multiple turns of the traverse wheel for each inch of movement.


78 posted on 03/30/2019 10:47:40 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: vannrox

It was a absolutely terrible movie.

The Longest Day wasn’t a whole lot better, but it WAS filmed in Normandy.

After Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, no previous war movie appears to be very realistic.


79 posted on 03/30/2019 10:50:48 AM PDT by Peter W. Kessler ("NUTS!!!")
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To: SoCal Pubbie

“That’s why most Shermans sent to the USSR were the M4A2 variant, as they had GM Diesel engines.” That variant to the M4 was at the request of the Soviet Union. Our Marine Corp found out about the A2 variant and adopted it for their use in the Pacific.


80 posted on 03/30/2019 11:02:39 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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