Posted on 01/26/2019 12:03:52 PM PST by ImpBill
I could use a little help here from some of our Constitutional Scholars.
When President Trump signed a Continuing Resolution yesterday for another 21 days for budgeting the entire Federal Government, did he do so willingly or was his decision forced upon him?
I believe the President has the can return the Bill to Congress, with comments as to why he won't sign it. (VETO) Has to happen within 10 days excluding Sundays.
To sustain his VETO it takes a 2/3's vote from both houses (Representatives and Senate). Otherwise the VETO is over-ridden and the bill becomes law.
Here comes my speculation. I don't have a huge "farm" but I am ready to bet it.
I feel fairly confident that the GOP leaders from both Houses came to the President yesterday and told him a Continuing Resolution, reopening the entire government was going to pass without Wall funding/Border Security funding, and be delivered to him for signature yesterday and that they didn't have the votes to sustain his Veto.
They pushed for him to do so, in order to have the voice vote and no one had to go on record for "continuing the shut down".
Ergo Mr Trump was given the choice to back down in the short term or force the feckless GOP Senators to go on record opposing him.
It seems many of the President supporters in the rank and file have found it easier (lazy) to place the fault with him. When in actuality it was the GOP, once again not following through on campaign promises they all made at one time or another, to yank their rug of support from him.
The GOP representatives have a "on the record" history of pulling the rug out from Mr. Trump since his inauguration.
Any am anxious for considerate thoughts from my fellow Freepers.
The way I read it that it would take 66 Senators and 288 House members to sustain the veto. And it is my SWAG the leaders couldn’t guarantee they could muster the votes.
I am still believing to sustain a veto both houses must meet the 2/3’s vote. I am not sure what happens when one house sustains it and the other doesn’t. The way I read it it takes both houses to sustain a veto.
How smart were you looking for? JEB?
Always give your enemy a way out of the battlefield... the 21 days give the dems less argument and the people more time to see that the wall is needed.
Sorry.....
JEB!
What did you do to help Trump with this fight. Bet nothing but are first in line to trash him.
While Dems circle the wagons Repubs circle the firing squad.
Did the President cave on the Continuing Resolution?>>>>>>>>>
No.
The Senate Republicans and Mitch McConnell in particular dod not carry the debate to the Democrats. They mostly remained completely passive.Thewy did the same on the repeal of Obamacare. making sure to fall one vote short in the cause of hatred rather than the cause of the people.
Our country is in a crisis of governance because even the GOP does not accept President Trump, he is not a member of the political cl;ass and doubled the hatred by beating the tar out of them.
The remedy is clear: In the next election the US electorate needs to vote for PDJT in overwhelming landslide numbers.
Like most Americans, I completely reject the blue blood ruling class whichi both democrats and Republicans assume themselves to be. They are not Americans. They use their corrupt DOJ, FBI, IRS to rob Americans of their freedooms and liberty.We have a gestapo ruling America. And we need to rid ourselves oif the lot of them.
And PDJT is the man who can do it. Why do you think they hate hims so much, they even hate his obvious successes and would deny them too at the cost of the People, on both sides of the aisle.
We need to increase and amplify the populist vote.
I was now aware that a veto could be sustained. At one time the veto stood until it was over ridden. But as previously stated, that was then and this is now. Things have changed.
Three weeks to see which direction America will go. “Build the wall” was a pillar of MAGA along with “drain the swamp” and both are headed to the realm of “Read my lips”. It does not help that the GOP is acting like dead fish.
You are mixed up. It takes two thirds vote to overide a presidential veto. The veto is sustained unless over riden.
Do not return to the CIA Bush era. Globalists all.
OK. I would really like to know what happens when a President Veto’s a bill. Now I guess and not before.
Not too hard for an old fart like me to get mixed up these days.
OK - President veto’s a bill. It is returned to the House where if they can muster 2/3’s to vote “for” the bill (again) it becomes law, thereby overriding the Presidents veto?
So yesterday the Senate passed a Continuing Resolution, sent it to the House where it passed as well (all on voice vote) and then it went to the President to be signed into law. If the President sent it back with notes (Veto) then if the Senate got 66 votes to support the bill it becomes law of the land, thusly over ridding his veto.
Right?
The bill is what a President vetoes. When a bill reaches his desk, he either signs it into law, or he vetoes [votes no]. Should he veto it, the bill is dead. Should Congress decide that they want the law anyhow, the leaders of both Houses announce that they are going to attempt to over ride his veto and schedule a vote to over ride. When they vote, the options are, sustain, or over ride. To over ride requires a 2/3 vote for over ride in both Houses. Should they vote to over ride, the bill becomes law without the President’s signature. If either House fails to get the required number of votes to over ride, the bill is dead. To illustrate: If one House votes to over ride and the other House votes to sustain the over ride, the bill dies.
More or less. He doesn’t even have to send it back. He can just not sign it and say nothing. Called a pocket veto
On to the President
Regardless of how it leaves the Congress, once it does, it goes to the President for his signature. Note that the legislative process does not operate in a vacuum, and the President, or his staff, has been tracking bills that pass the Congress. A bill showing up on the President’s desk, then, is never a surprise. In all likelihood, the President has commented on the bill, indicating his likelihood of signing it, perhaps indicating that he will veto it unless certain provisions are in the bill, and so on. By the time the President officially sees the bill, it is either in accordance with his wishes, or in defiance of them.
Officially, all bills that pass both houses are signed by the Speaker of the House and the President (or President Pro Tem) of the Senate before being presented to the President. This process does not usually include any politicized delays, but it could delay a bill a day or two. Then, the bill is delivered to the President and the 10-day clock starts to tick.
The President may sign the bill at any time after its deliverance. If it sits unsigned for more than the 10-day period, it becomes law regardless of his signature or not. The exception to this 10-day period is commonly called a pocket veto. In a pocket veto, the President can kill a bill if it goes unsigned and Congress adjourns prior to the 10-day time limit. The term “pocket veto” comes from the fact that if the President knows an adjournment is coming, he can place the bill in his pocket and forget about it. Note that the general interpretation of the adjournment needed for a pocket veto does not include short-term adjournments; only when the Congress adjourns “sine die,” or, basically, for good. This might be when a Congress ends before the next begins, or during an extended adjournment during a seasonal break.
If the President vetoes the bill, a veto message is sent back to Congress. The message contains the President’s objections to the bill. The two houses of Congress may decide to revote on the issue right away. Normally, it is known if enough members will vote to override the bill (two-thirds is needed). If such a majority exists, the revote is almost guaranteed. If no immediate revote is taken, the bill can be tabled for later vote or sent back to the committee to have further work done. If a vote is taken to override, and the vote fails, the bill dies.
https://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_law.html
See photo on Drudge.
It says Cave man
Whew, that was painful, but I do believe I have it now. I think I had it all along but my tongue got tangled between my “I” teeth and I couldn’t spit it out.
So to override the Veto the House would need 290 voting aye and the Senate 66.
19 GOP Senators would thereby have to go on record in support of the continuing resolution without the wall funding.
And apparently McConnell didn’t think he could hold those votes.
February 15th is going to be a very interesting day.
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