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What are the pros and cons of having women in the US military?
https://www.quora.com/ ^ | Wed, 08/29/18 | M.S. Bailey M.S. Bailey,

Posted on 08/29/2018 6:50:55 PM PDT by daniel1212

As a medic I was overawed when I arrived at Ft. Sam Houston. There were SO MANY WOMEN. It was like some sort of strange paradise. At first. I realized very quickly that every OTHER company at 232nd Medical Battalion was as high as 70% female.. Very quickly as our combat deployment approached, I became increasingly convinced that my company was in for serious trouble..

Nothing was done to quell my misgivings when two females in the unit essentially got to sit out the deployment by becoming pregnant right before the deployment. During the deployment those doubts and misgivings became full fledged anxiety and fear. When we had incoming the women of my company reacted violently. Almost overnight shaking up occurred. Two of the females lead a campaign against one of the platoon sergeants because they were sure he was acting in a racist manner.

I kept my head down and did my job, and tried to be the best medic I could be, but I utterly HATED the FOB. One woman in an Air Force unit we were colocated with intentionally got herself pregnant so she could go home. What really filled me with outrage is after she got her positive results I overheard her saying she was going to get an abortion as soon as she got home...

Later when I was rotated through MEDDAC I was offered an opportunity to go to West Point. The commander at the time put off writing the recommendation until I was desperate. I ended up having to have the acting commander write the review. Both the commander and acting commander were women and the reviews they wrote made me look like the worst soldier they had ever laid eyes on. My interactions with many of the nurses that were commissioned were negative, especially when my manner was rigid and proper when addressing officers, or of expecting clear and concise orders, and tendency to act immediately or advise them that they were making my assigned duties more difficult than they needed to be.

My second and final deployment as a line medic for an infantry platoon was in many ways the experience I had actually joined the army for. I in no way mean to suggest that combat was joyful, but the way my platoon operated was such a relief. I felt more at home than I ever had in any other unit. During that tour as strange as it may sound I was more stressed on the FOB than I was out in sector, and despite losing guys in truly horrible ways, the platoon was closer, and a tighter group of people. Even when we were given nebulous missions and vague orders it always felt like things got done. We always moved with a sense of purpose.

I think the thing that sealed it for me that made me never want to work in a unit full of women again was something that happened in my first unit after my deployment. As so often happens personnel get rotated out. My platoon went from 20% female to 80%. Within a month all but one were pregnant, injured or proved they couldn’t lift a paperweight and one female medic, myself and one other male ended up doing an entire platoon’s worth of details (with myself and the other male doing all the physical work).

Women are wonderful. They can be talented, and thoughtful. When matched to their aptitudes they can absolutely be an asset to rear echelon units. I have met a few that might be able to keep up with the front line troops if they put in maximum effort. I have not met enough of those women to suggest women on the front lines would be anything other than a bad idea. As much as it pains me to say it, with the exceptions clearly in my mind, I’ve met more than enough of the “bad” females to make me seriously question their inclusion in the army at all.

More than once in my career and after I have heard of minor (and major) infractions being ignored because the person was a woman. I have witnessed women get away with talking back and utter disrespect to officers and NCOs and nothing happened. I have seen the corrosive effect it has on a unit when relationships spring up in a unit. More than once I have witnessed one man forced to do the work of three of his women counterparts because they simply didn’t have the strength, stamina, or in one case fortitude.

As harsh and brutal as it sounds, war is not the place you want anyone to be who is not at their absolute best. Your mission is to do things that can and will kill other people. Sometimes they your own, the enemy or innocent civilians. Screw ups are be lethal. It is neither moral or just to try to shoehorn in women into combat roles because of “equality” when the price of putting unqualified people into those positions is measured in body bags.


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: era; feminization; military; militaryreadiness; militarywomen; trumpdod; usmilitary; women
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To: daniel1212
Hmm, still no females! I wonder why.
It is the Law

Virtually all male U.S. citizens, regardless of where they live, and male immigrants, whether documented or undocumented, residing in the United States, who are 18 through 25, are required to register with Selective Service.


41 posted on 08/29/2018 7:38:08 PM PDT by donna (Corporations are using censorship to destroy President Trump and achieve Globalism.)
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To: daniel1212

The pros are in Nursing and clerical support , The negatives, beyond belief , are in combat. You cannot absorb the insanity of that under pressure,


42 posted on 08/29/2018 7:40:18 PM PDT by raiderboy (Trump promised “shut down the government” in September; if no wall!!)
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To: FoxInSocks

Vasquez: So it’s an alien?

HUDSON: “yeah, an illegal alien”


43 posted on 08/29/2018 7:43:19 PM PDT by max americana (Fired libtard employees 9 consecutive times at every election since 08'. I hope all liberals die.)
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To: daniel1212

Women in the military should be treated like men! So the next major beach invasion, send 6000 of them in to secure it. After the slaughter, no more women in the military.


44 posted on 08/29/2018 7:51:55 PM PDT by Bommer (Help out 2ndDivisionVet and his wife - https://www.gofundme.com/married-recent-amputees)
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To: daniel1212
Your mission is to do things that can and will kill other people

so imagine you are a Colonel reviewing this policy for a group of liberal Congressmen. What are you going to tell them? People getting killed because of social-engineering and politics is a matter for the future. Your career is on the line at this immediate moment. What do you think the majority of people in the position will say?

45 posted on 08/29/2018 7:55:45 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Get ‘em!


46 posted on 08/29/2018 8:07:52 PM PDT by Levy78
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
This goes for combat aircraft too.

I can go along with women not serving as frontline infantry, but why shouldn’t a woman pilot an F-16?

I still recall seeing a clip from a ground support mission some ten years ago, wherein the female pilot, after vaporizing a convoy, said “When you meet Allah, tell him you were killed by a girl!”

:-)

47 posted on 08/29/2018 8:09:04 PM PDT by Simon Green ("Arm your daughter, sir, and pay no attention to petty bureaucrats.")
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To: daniel1212

They make better sammiches.


48 posted on 08/29/2018 8:12:51 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables ( Jeff Sessions will go down in history as WORSE than Benedict Arnold.)
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To: daniel1212

Women have a role in the military, just not in combat areas.


49 posted on 08/29/2018 8:17:11 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: Simon Green

Simple. Sometimes they crash behind enemy lines. Think of the propaganda tools you are handing the enemy. I am sure they are the equal of the men in the air. As POW’s they are propaganda tools. Think of how an enemy could mess with some of the light weight IQ soccer moms and college students. Not worth it.


50 posted on 08/29/2018 8:27:23 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (TRUMP TRAIN !!! Get the hell out of the way if you are not on yet because we don't stop for idiots)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
As POW’s they are propaganda tools.

As male POW's can be as well.

Think of how an enemy could mess with some of the light weight IQ soccer moms and college students.

Is that how you normally describe the brave women serving as combat pilots in our armed forces?

51 posted on 08/29/2018 8:35:53 PM PDT by Simon Green ("Arm your daughter, sir, and pay no attention to petty bureaucrats.")
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To: Simon Green

“light weight IQ soccer moms and college students.”

Not the Military people. I am talking about the idiots that watch CNN. Face it. War is political and politics are war.


52 posted on 08/29/2018 8:42:22 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (TRUMP TRAIN !!! Get the hell out of the way if you are not on yet because we don't stop for idiots)
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To: daniel1212

Nice butts.


53 posted on 08/29/2018 8:42:53 PM PDT by heights
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Hahaha!


54 posted on 08/29/2018 8:43:59 PM PDT by youngidiot (The corporate tax rate should be zero.)
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To: Bommer

Women don’t belong in the Navy except support roles. Women on combat ships are a complete shit show. If we implemented women in the military in a fair way and they were held to male standards there would be but a few women serving right now. That’s the way it should be. Allow the outliers to serve but keep the large majority out. They don’t belong. To hell with your over inflated egos......


55 posted on 08/29/2018 8:45:36 PM PDT by hillarys cankles
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
Not the Military people. I am talking about the idiots that watch CNN. Face it. War is political and politics are war.

Ah, I misunderstood.

56 posted on 08/29/2018 8:47:39 PM PDT by Simon Green ("Arm your daughter, sir, and pay no attention to petty bureaucrats.")
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To: daniel1212
This veteran (and son, grandson, great grandson and nephew of veterans) has very positive things to say about women in our military.

On my flight to basic training in the 60s, I sat next to a young woman who volunteered to join, when we dudes were expected to join up or be drafted.

My interactions with military females was infrequent, but never negative in my entire 4 years of service.

Since that time, I know of many young women who have served, and honorably so, in war zones, and who do everything guys do, and often better.

Females in the military? Yes, they are capable, and they are on our side.

57 posted on 08/29/2018 9:05:29 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in-never, never,never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. Winston Churchill)
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To: central_va

Please please quit reading my mind and posting my thoughts here........

In real war, all other things being equal, an army with even 5% women will lose to an army of 100% men....every time......women are simply not physically or mentally made to fight to kill.......unless they are defending their children - and even then they will lose more often than win......


58 posted on 08/29/2018 9:15:40 PM PDT by Arlis
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To: daniel1212
Fellow Veterans and fellow Freepers, your missing something here. Look at today’s 18-22 year old males. Unfit, undisciplined, pussified safe room seeking, non warriors.

The military has missed it minimum recruiting goals for 7 quarters. Not getting enough new enlisting to just replace those qualified people leaving. Generals don’t necessarily want to open up combat units to women. But there are not enough fit males joining or heaven forbid, of draft age, that can man a weapon and take the fight to the enemy.

59 posted on 08/29/2018 9:16:24 PM PDT by Newbomb Turk (Hey Newbomb, where is your bothers ElCamino ?)
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To: daniel1212

I served for 6 years in the AF Reserves during the lates 70s early 80s. I have a more military bearing than my husband who was in the military much longer and achieved a higher rank than I did. But, I am basically fearless.

If you think women are wusses, wait until you encounter a millennial. You will be begging to have some of those other women back.

I was a boy scout leader throughout the whole time my sons were in scouting. I did not take any garage off of those boys and they respected me big time. I had one dad that was a wuss. He was whimpering that he couldn’t lift a 40 lb bag of ice. These were the same bags that I had been hauling around all day as the supervisor for our for our fundraiser. So when I lifted it for him, I told him to his face, “I hope that you don’t strain your uterus.” He got the message. I never had to lift another 40 lb bag for him again.


60 posted on 08/29/2018 9:30:32 PM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (Will the last responsible person leaving California, please turn out the lights.)
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