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Will Springfield, Missouri, vote on August 7, 2018 to ban pit bulls?
Animals 24-7 ^ | August 4, 2018 | Merritt Clifton

Posted on 08/04/2018 10:29:02 PM PDT by Norski

First time for a proposed pit bull ban to go before voters prior to taking effect

SPRINGFIELD, Missouri––Opens Question 1 on the August 7, 2018 primary election ballot for the City of Springfield, Missouri:

“Shall the City of Springfield establish a future ban upon the possession of new pit bull dogs within the City limits by prohibiting acceptance of any new pit bull registrations and only allowing renewals of existing current pit bull dog registrations?”

The language of the proposed Springfield pit bull ban was approved by the city council, voting 5-4, in November 2017. Backlash

“The backlash was immediate,” recalls Springfield News-Leader reporter Alissa Zhu. “Residents threatened to boycott businesses associated with the five council members who voted for the ordinance. Within a month, more than 7,800 people signed a petition, circulated by a local group called Citizens Against BSL, in an effort to stop the ban.”

Enough petition signatures were certified to put the proposed ordinance before the Springfield voters. The outcome appears likely to be decided by how effectively pit bull ban opponents and proponents mobilize during the next few days to get out the vote.

(Excerpt) Read more at animals24-7.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine; Pets/Animals; Society
KEYWORDS: ban; chet99; dog; legal; missouri; mo2018; mo3018; pitbull; springfield
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To: Celerity
Many of these people have pitbulls sitting with them. I think that pitbulls are a serious issue for the city. I would imagine that the homeless are also using the dogs to actually fight for money.

Right; because there's no way these unfortunate souls reduced to living on the streets might want some companionship and possibly some protection from those things outside that go bump in the night while they sleep on those same streets.

Is it truly possible you're this freakin' stupid/ignorant or are you pulling our collective legs? Just don't bite them please. We have enough dog-hating biters in these disgusting hate-threads as it is.

41 posted on 08/05/2018 6:15:48 AM PDT by Boomer (Leftism is the Mental/Moral Equivalent of End Stage Cancer)
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To: raybbr; Norski
You have a troll following you. It’s almost like it’s stalking you. You better watch out it may attack like a pit bull. It’s already started it’s growling at others.

Just this short time on these threads and I've noticed a correlation between the attitude of pit bull defenders and the dogs.

42 posted on 08/05/2018 6:15:49 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Slyfox

A friend who works in the shelters said the only way to get one off of someone is to go behind the dog and lift its back legs high in the air. Then run like hell.


43 posted on 08/05/2018 6:16:15 AM PDT by lilypad
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To: JayGalt

Are you on the FR gun-grabbing team too? Oh wait! FR doesn’t have one of those. I bet DU does. You’re on the wrong forum.


44 posted on 08/05/2018 6:17:29 AM PDT by Boomer (Leftism is the Mental/Moral Equivalent of End Stage Cancer)
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To: Celerity

They’re so poor they have to stand on a street corner and beg for money and they have enough to own a dog.

I see a huge disconnect there.


45 posted on 08/05/2018 6:18:30 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Celerity

The “homeless” beggars were banned at one time from sitting near intersections. The ACLUseless sued various entities of government including Springfield. They (ACLU) prevailed. Most of these “homeless” park their cars out of eye sight. Collect $50-$100. per day. EBT Cards. Food stamps. Medicaid. Life is good. For the “homeless” in Missouri.


46 posted on 08/05/2018 6:22:47 AM PDT by donozark (Fat People are Hard to Kidnap)
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To: Boomer

This is a liberal tactic, attack the person rather than the logical argument. I suspect that you are the one acquainted with the Left sites. I am, for the record, a dues paying NRA member. I put my money where my mouth is.


47 posted on 08/05/2018 6:23:52 AM PDT by JayGalt (You can't teach a donkey how to tap dance.)
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To: GranTorino
Cynophobia is treatable.

Great news because a lot of people in these dog-hating Jihad threads sure need it.

48 posted on 08/05/2018 6:24:47 AM PDT by Boomer (Leftism is the Mental/Moral Equivalent of End Stage Cancer)
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To: metmom

I know. there are a hundred other breeds of dogs to have and mutts too. but the draw of a pitbull is purely anti social. they have no use in society except to intimidate those around you. I have 2 neighbors that have pugs. I never have to think about what would I use as a club whenever they walk by. My neighbor has a big black lab that barks at anyone walking by. Ive seen it off the leash standing in their driveway. woof woof at me across the street. The dog is clearly a barker. nothing more. Never seen him leave his yard even when lose. its a lab. more likely to bark and run away if i said BOO! .


49 posted on 08/05/2018 6:25:08 AM PDT by Ikeon (Getting emotional about something doesn't make your point of view right. emotions are not logical.)
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To: imardmd1

Nope. Jihad metmom has come at me before. She is an enemy to all those who care and love their dogs. Beware; she has a nasty bite.


50 posted on 08/05/2018 6:26:19 AM PDT by Boomer (Leftism is the Mental/Moral Equivalent of End Stage Cancer)
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To: Norski

Great article. Thanks for posting.


51 posted on 08/05/2018 6:28:28 AM PDT by JayGalt (You can't teach a donkey how to tap dance.)
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To: metmom
Its a tactic to keep from getting arrested .
If they have a dog the police won’t arrest them since dealing with a pit bull is a big nuisance .
Most animal control system don't want them and don't show up .
52 posted on 08/05/2018 6:30:03 AM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists out themselves ever ti)
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To: Norski; metmom; Boomer
I think that a ban is the wrong approach. The question of what is a pit bull or how much pit bull is not easy to determine.

I think that laws should be enacted to make the risk of owning a pit bull (or any dog prone to attack) VERY high. If your pit bull attacks someone, its $100,000 and 10 years in jail. You can then decide if the dog you have is likely to get you into that kind of trouble.

As far as: Journal of Applied Animal Welfare Science found that 41% of shelter workers are willing to lie about pit bull breed identification to try to re-home more pit bulls.

This happened to us. My wife and kids went to a shelter to adopt a dog. The brought home a nice Staffordsire Terrier puppy as defined by the shelter. I took one look and said that guy is going back. We ended up with a Newfoundland. It was a great trade. Nicest dog in the world. I miss him. As an aside we also had a German Shepherd/Chow mix. She was our guard dog. She was very smart and seemed to know what to do in any situation. And yes, she was not afraid to bite.

53 posted on 08/05/2018 6:36:50 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“Breed-specific bans have been shown to have no appreciable effect as regards safety.”
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Actually, yes they do. They most certainly do.

What statistics and what municipality, state or province would you prefer provided to you upon this subject?

If you wish to debate this, please support your original above statement with facts. I will be happy to do the same. Thank you.


54 posted on 08/05/2018 6:43:23 AM PDT by Norski
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To: Celerity

Springfield at one time had beggars at every intersection and it was disgusting, but they passed a law making it illegal to stand at an intersection to solicit funds. It is very rare to see now, and a huge improvement.
Not surprisingly, when they offered the beggars transport to a jobs center, the program was a total failure.


55 posted on 08/05/2018 6:43:36 AM PDT by GnuThere
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Thanks to the excellent article posted by Norski we have easy access to data that refutes your assertion “Breed-specific bans have been shown to have no appreciable effect as regards safety.”

From the article:
In late 2014, Animals 24-7, a group that tracks shelter killings, estimated that of the 1.3 million shelter dogs projected for euthanasia in 2014, pit bulls accounted for 56%.
This is true despite the fact that pit bulls only make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population.
Over 900 U.S. cities and nearly all privatized military housing — the U.S. Army, U.S. Marine Corps and U.S. Air Force — and many public housing authorities have breed-specific restrictions. Such measures often include: mandatory sterilization, liability insurance and strict containment rules.

The most progressive law, a pit bull ban, prohibits new pit bulls and new pit bull breeding. In just a few years, these communities see a significant drop in pit bull bites and euthanasia of pit bulls.

However we are spoiled for choice if we look for other corroboration:

Manitoba experience: https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/early/2012/06/29/injuryprev-2012-040389

Council Bluffs, Iowa

Pit bulls are not only problematic in large cities; they threaten mid-sized cities and small towns as well. Located in the heartland, Council Bluffs, Iowa has about 62,000 citizens. After a series of devastating attacks, beginning in 2003, Council Bluffs joined over 900 U.S. cities and began regulating pit bulls. The results of the Council Bluffs pit bull ban, which began January 1, 2005, show the positive effects such legislation can have on public safety in just a few years time.
https://www.dogsbite.org/legislating-dangerous-dogs.php

Do breed-specific laws work?
https://www.dogsbite.org/legislating-dangerous-dogs-bsl-faq.php

To be fair there are articles that say the breed bans don’t work and some communities have revoked them. Many of those articles are by animal rights activists. It is fair to say there are many sides to the story yet municipalities are within their rights to choose legislation if they feel it fits the needs of their community.


56 posted on 08/05/2018 6:47:13 AM PDT by JayGalt (You can't teach a donkey how to tap dance.)
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To: Boomer; metmom

Hmmm..... “Jihad Metmom” is an oxymoron.


57 posted on 08/05/2018 6:55:18 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: CaptainK

I believe Colorado has a statewide ban on pitbulls.


58 posted on 08/05/2018 7:16:33 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: donozark

They stand out in front of Walmart. Drive around back and look at their conversion vans and RVs.

Granted, that sort of lifestyle is not a bad choice - The signs they hold are the lies.

I’m also amazed at how many homeless women there were. Of all races too.

Either way, it’s a shame. But I did notice on my travels through the middle of the country that Missouri is the worst off of all the states.

WV and AR were on my itinerary and I stayed in both. These are ranked some of the poorest states in the US. The beggar situation was almost nil in those states. I saw one person in Fayetteville. Fayetteville also has several homeless shelters.


59 posted on 08/05/2018 7:19:21 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: Norski
I seem to remember several years (30 years maybe) ago a question on an insurance form asking about dog breeds of our family pets. I think the reasoning behind this was Rottweilers GS's and Dobermans exposed the insurance company to more risk of suits if someone was bitten.

I wonder if pit bull owners should be required to carry specific licenses and insurance? I know - more bureaucracy.

We have a new subsidized apartment built nearby in our rural community and some of the residents have pit bulls. Dogs chained to tires in the back yards. A couple of these dogs barricaded our elderly neighbor in her home and they had to be shot so that she could exit. They were charging at the person who went to check on her. Another inlaw was chased into their home in town by a pit bull and put him and his wife in the hospital.

( That being said, my daughter was bitten by a Jack Russell who attacked the Chihuahua she was walking.

60 posted on 08/05/2018 7:20:39 AM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch ( I would LOVE to have my old "substandard" insurance back. It didn't mean $24K annual out of pocket)
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