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UFO ‘evidence’: Recordings reveal air traffic control’s confusion at strange craft over Oregon
foxnews.com ^ | Jamie Seidel

Posted on 02/19/2018 3:59:47 PM PST by RoosterRedux

On October 25, a strange craft was seen — in broad daylight — flying amid the heavy traffic of the United States’ air corridors above the state of Oregon.

Pilots radioed in reports of an aircraft flying outside registered flight plans. It was not responding to radio calls. It had no collision-avoidance transponders. But it was always just outside clear sight.

On the ground, air traffic control was also seeing strange things. Its radar was intermittently tracking an unregistered object moving at unusually high speeds.

It was cause for real concern.

After all, 9/11 showed the potential havoc aircraft flying “dark” could achieve.

So F-15 interceptor fighters from the U.S. Air Force were scrambled to take a look.

The story was first picked up by "The War Zone" blog of the automotive website The Drive. It tracked down comments from the pilots that had seen something strange that day. It also obtained confirmation — of sorts — from the U.S. air base that launched the fighters.

Now "War Zone" has obtained ─ through a freedom of information claim ─ a small mountain of documents and hours of audio recordings detailing Oregon’s air traffic controllers' actions.

Amid the accounts of phone calls, radio exchanges and pilot interviews is an enticing picture of what a substantive UFO report looks like, and how authorities struggle to make sense of what is going on above them.

‘THAT LOOKS CRAZY’

The unidentified flying object was first detected tearing through the air above Northern California by radar stations in Oakland. It was 4:30 p.m. It was unexpected. It was traveling “very fast at 37,000”.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: UFO's
KEYWORDS: aatip; california; f15; fringe; meteorite; oakland; ohsomysteriouso; oregon; radarsighting; thedrive; thewarzoneblog; tictac; ufo; ufos
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To: Bellflower
Well put.

Researcher Guy Malone does not believe that any of the current crop of craft and critters are on God's side. He allowed, in personal conversation with Qx that maybe he'd allow a less than 1% chance that maybe a tiny minority might be at some point in time.

Qx believes that God has chosen to use craft for His angels on occasion. And, we may see more of them in the END TIMES. However, the Biblical test is still crucial--do the critters believe that Christ came in the flesh, died in the flesh, arose the 3rd day? If not, consider the critter accursed.

Interestingly, I think it was Jesse Duplantis spoke of coming to himself exiting a 'gondola' sort of vehicle into Heaven. And that when he left Heaven, he again entered the same gondola sort of craft and came to himself on earth. IIRC, he had no memory or awareness of what the trip between was like.

161 posted on 02/21/2018 2:53:50 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning
I don't know if this link includes that part, or not but it's one link about his experiences:

http://www.nairaland.com/1229219/jesse-duplantis-trip-heaven

162 posted on 02/21/2018 2:54:37 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: jmacusa
Years ago, when I first heard about the abduction experiences, I thought they had to be false memories...a cover for childhood sexual molestation or the like.

But the more I studied this stuff, the more I realized that there were common elements in all the accounts...so many in fact that it would be impossible for all these people to describe such similar, horrifying details.

Mack's clinical and meticulously empirical approach to these events pretty much backs up his conclusion that "something very real is going on here" (I paraphrase).

163 posted on 02/21/2018 7:17:18 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: jmacusa

Jocko’s a gurl.:-)


164 posted on 02/21/2018 7:20:31 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux
No offense Rooster but how can some be ‘meticulous and empirical at the same time? Seems like a contradiction in terms. The way I see abductions, besides as total hokum, is an attempt at attention seeking by some people with serious mental issues. The whole thing seems like a modern version of the legend of the Incubus and Succubus. I believe that sadly Mack was killed in an auto accident many years ago.
165 posted on 02/21/2018 11:33:29 AM PST by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: RoosterRedux

A girl?! Get outta here.... :-)


166 posted on 02/21/2018 11:34:01 AM PST by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: JockoManning

You know something? You;re a boring , incoherent little twit.


167 posted on 02/21/2018 11:50:45 AM PST by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: jmacusa
Empirical--analysis by careful observation--requires the precision and care in that observation (i.e. meticulousness).

At least that was how I saw Mack in his work.

He was killed in London...hit by a car when he was on foot.

Damn shame. Great guy.

The only problem with the insanity plea for abductees is that Mack found his subjects be be quite normal, except of course for the abduction.

None wanted any attention and, if memory serves, none got any.

It is a fascinating subject, but I don't think the abductors are aliens.

It sounded an awful lot like demonic possession. So your incubi/succubi idea might be right on target.

168 posted on 02/21/2018 11:56:11 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Didn’t want any attention? I’ve literally dozens of them for decades on TV. Some have written books, like Whitney Strieber and Betty and Barney Hill. Books that were made into movies that they profited off of.


169 posted on 02/21/2018 12:07:46 PM PST by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: jmacusa

I’m speaking just of Mack’s patients.


170 posted on 02/21/2018 12:53:20 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: jmacusa
BTW, I met Whitley Strieber once a long time ago. An old girl friend dragged me to some sort of new age convention in Atlanta (she was nuts but very attractive) and he was speaking about his book "Communion" which I had read years earlier.
171 posted on 02/21/2018 1:26:01 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: UCANSEE2
Space is not non-material. If it were, the magnetic & electric permittivity constants would be zero and it is not. The speed of light is related to the vacuum permittivity: C = 1/sqrt(εµ) Therefore E=M/εµ The fabric of space itself has a vacuum energy which is non-zero, see Casimir effect.
172 posted on 02/21/2018 1:55:51 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("Washington, DC. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious")
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To: Bellflower
Some folks cannot comprehend that truth can be stranger than fiction.

Can you elaborate on what you saw up close and personal?

173 posted on 02/21/2018 2:03:37 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: RoosterRedux

Absolutely indeed.


174 posted on 02/21/2018 2:04:51 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: Bellflower; JockoManning
Good Lord, yes...tell us everything.

If not in public, use FreepMail.

175 posted on 02/21/2018 2:11:10 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: Bellflower; JockoManning
I can comprehend the truth and so can Jocko Manning. And we are here to support and defend you.

FreepMail us if you need to but please tell us (and everyone, if possible) the truth.

176 posted on 02/21/2018 2:13:50 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: jmacusa
Your arrogance must be off the charts.

In that post, you are insisting that

YOU, in your omniscient loftiness know absolutely and comprehensively more than the head of the Harvard Psychiatric Hospital about

The way I see abductions, besides as total hokum, is an attempt at attention seeking by some people with serious mental issues.

Sooooooo, where did you get your psychiatric MD or psychologist PhD? And how many years MORE than Dr Mack did you head a major psychiatric hospital at an Ivy League University?

The rest of us will continue to trust Dr Mack's expertise and judgment on the matters of the authenticity of the abduction narratives as well as his carefully researched proof that the abductees did not have ANY aberrant mental health issues beyond PTSD from having been abducted so terrifyingly.

BTW, Dr Mack's research was confirming of 2-3 OTHER scientific research studies which ALSO documented that the average abductee did not differ from the general population in terms of mental health--except for some fairly minor to moderate evidence of PTSD from the abduction experience.

One other finding of such research was that on average, abductees were a bit--a significant bit--higher in IQ than the average citizen.

You must have an extremely strange dictionary to think that meticulous and empirical are hostile, disconnected enemies.

The best empirical studies are done very meticulously. It's shockingly strange you'd think they didn't go together.

In terms of the abductees being attention seeking--the FACTS prove otherwise. Only a very tiny percentage of abductees want any publicity whatsoever. A huge majority well over 90%? just want the whole thing--memories included--to just go away. Most are reluctant to talk about it even with close relatives and friends.

Therefore, yet again, your reality understanding, perceptions, assumptions about reality seem to have absolutely NO significant connection to, correlation with objective, scientific reality.

177 posted on 02/21/2018 2:16:57 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: jmacusa

Evidently your arrogance is only approached by your civility and sweetness.


178 posted on 02/21/2018 2:17:43 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: RoosterRedux

About forty years go I was working on a cadastral survey crew in the Umpqua forest in Oregon. I was up pretty high in a forested area and heard an odd roaring down in one of the forested valleys below me. I got to a spot where I could look down through the trees and saw an odd disc shaped craft hovering about 200 feet off the top of the trees. I only saw it for about thirty seconds but it seemed to have two or three vertical stabilizer fins and some kind of writing or insignia on the sides. After thinking about it as I was hiking I thought maybe a back engineered saucer left over from Roswell.


179 posted on 02/21/2018 2:19:18 PM PST by jetson
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To: RoosterRedux
Actually, evidently, the abductions are effected by:

1. Critters purporting to be ET's. Various types.

2. Critters with USA military personnel.

3. A very few cases appear to have been managed MAYBE with only USA military personnel.

180 posted on 02/21/2018 2:19:25 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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