Bender's NFL Live Thread: Wild Card Playoffs

1-2-2018

[dinodino]

As if your computer was made in America? Give me a break. They’re all made in China.

[big'ol_freeper]

Nice try to avoid. I never said anything about where they are made. I’ll try again.

Did you buy a computer or mobile device that you are currently using to lecture me? What brand? What operating system?

Whatever your answer, you had a choice and you chose to put money in the hands of a company that funds left-wing causes.

Partcipating in the NFL thread on FR does not fund left-wing causes.

By your very own standard YOU are anti-American.

[big'ol_freeper]

RE: you probably have given through your patronage to Microsoft, Apple, Verizon and others to these entities that support anti-American values far more in a single year than the NFL has done in its entire existence.

In a nutshell, they selectively boycott what they wish, but insist, much like left-wing thugs, that everyone else MUST boycott the ones they’ve selectively chosen to boycott else THEY decree you are anti-American.

I have no use for nazi tactics whether from the left or right.

[rlmorel]

Yes...I wish I could make the point effectively that I respect people who feel a given way about this, but I don’t like the level of disrespect and vitriol directed at those who don’t take it to the same level.

I find it (as a conservative) demeaning and uncalled for. As conservatives, we should all about freedom of individual choice.

I have a high degree of respect (and affinity) for many who feel differently than I do on this (including many on this very thread) and it pains me to be at odds with them and have this uncivil discourse.

[Chainmail]

I'd love to hear from the 99% you talk about but that's the other disgrace for the professional football league and teams: the best the remainder can do is not kneel. None of them openly oppose the protests or - heaven forbid - threaten to quit if the respect for the flag isn't restored.

"Crossed the line"? Really? If you've given more for our country than I have, let me know. While you have watched "your team" I have had 50 years of unremitting pain from the bullet that shattered my leg. I have a lot of great friends listed on the black wall in DC - and every single one of them were worth more than every football player that ever existed.

I find it astounding that people like you on this FreeRepublic spout off so much about love of country - but that doesn't keep you from funneling money to the same people who have allowed and maybe encouraged this garbage to happen.

[Chainmail]

"But, unlike you, I was willing to put my life on the line for that flag."

Really? Where and when? If so, how it is that you're just fine with the NFL's condoning the flag "protests"?

[rlmorel]

Chainmail, nobody said anything about 99% of anything, but it is a fact that among veterans and active duty personnel, there is nowhere near a monolithic viewpoint of the issue the coincides with yours.

Nobody is questioning your love of country, patriotism, or sacrifice for your country, especially among the people you are disparaging, quite the opposite I would safely say.

And sure, I am certain beyond a doubt that any single name on that black wall, if he could be brought back to live a life taken from him at that young age, would be worth more than any viewing of a professional sport. And same for the pain you have suffered from your wound.

But there isn’t any correlation at all between these things, one doesn’t follow the other. We aren’t given those kinds of choices.

I have followed your posts over the years, and I respect your views on things, how could I not? But I will just have to disagree with you on this.

[Chainmail]

*Sigh*. You sure have a way of taking the wind out of a guy's sails! I don't want to be angry - but if we just stuck together and hit these people in the wallet, this kind of garbage would be brought to a halt.

The NFL has been big on theater - giant flag, military honor guards, patriotic displays - but when a slew of overpaid idiots insult us all, they showed their true Progressive colors.

When Impy and the others put their usual NFL threads up, it just infuriates me.

[big'ol_freeper]

I have a profile

[big'ol_freeper]

I’m not fine with any actual support for leftist causes. I don’t support desrespect for the flag and I don’t support funding of left-wing causes. The problem is you are evidently ok with the latter because while you’re “boycott boycott boycott” the NFL, you’ve not boycotted tech companies and internet providers, who all fund left-wing orgs, as evidenced by your presence on the internet. If you had any real moral conviction concerning boycotting liberal organizations, you’d boycott all of them. But frankly I think you’re just a phony and blow hard with delusions of grandeur.

[Chainmail]

Ah yes, I remember - you and I were both artillerymen. Your profile doesn't mention any combat and it's hard to tell from your ribbons - is that a Legion of Merit?

To me, the antipatriotic NFL and ESPN and the owners are the ones condoning this insulting crud at the games. When we don't stick together and boycott them until they "get their minds right", we fail.

Football is not more important than our country.

[big'ol_freeper]

RE: the antipatriotic NFL and ESPN and the owners are the ones condoning this insulting crud ..When we don’t stick together and boycott them until they “get their minds right”, we fail.

Now do Apple, Microsoft, Dell, Comcast, Time Warner, Samsung, ABC, NBC, CBS, HBO, etc. etc. etc.

As I said, you lack consistent moral conviction.

[Chainmail]

"But frankly I think you’re just a phony and blow hard with delusions of grandeur"

Oh, well done! In your stirring defense of professional football - idiots and all - you've also decided to attack me and my history.

Here's me:/a>

After this, it took me three years to be able to pass a physical to come back into the Marines and I was commissioned in '73, commanding an artillery battalion in the early '90s.

No delusions, buddy - just good and faithful service.

Now are you still fixated on defending football and attacking veterans?

[big'ol_freeper]

I stand by my assessment, even more firmly.

[Chainmail]

Then you won’t mind it all if I say that I’m glad you were never in any unit of mine.

[big'ol_freeper]

Ditto. I was lucky not to serve with but a few who lacked consistent moral conviction. Such are dangerous.

[big'ol_freeper]

Understand, but if you’ve been around the military you will find individuals like this are termed chest thumpers. They have nobody’s respect.

[rlmorel]

Thanks for that civil response, Chainmail.

I think one thing (at least) I can agree completely with you is the cowardly approach of the NFL leadership, that allowed this to get out of control.

They should have squashed this on day one, and that they didn’t is, to my eyes, the same kind of buckling under we have seen in this country to the likes of Jesse Jackson and his Rainbow Coalition, who used the threat of racism accusations to extort money from American corporations.

On day one, they should have made it clear that these types of demonstrations on television, under the corporate logo, should not be tolerated. At that point, if the players persisted and balked at punishment and tried to walk out, I would have lived with that as well.

And it may well come to that, the next time there is an incident the Left portrays as racial in nature with the associated orchestrated outrage by the Left. I think this is the legacy of eight years under Obama and his ilk.

I think in the end, water is going to find its own level.

Take care.

[Chainmail]

Oh, nice. My moral conviction was just fine, thank you. Had an excellent battalion - fired 17,000 HE zero errors fired, didn’t lose anyone, highest reenlistment rate.

Nice try.

[OneVike]

Now are you still fixated on defending football and attacking veterans?

You ask this of big'ol_freeper, who never attacked any veterans in this thread, he did take you to task for doing so and in the process got fed up with your self righteous indignation that he and other veterans will not follow in line with your understanding of who to protest, when to protest and how to protest.

I respect your sacrifice, but you refuse to respect that of others, because we would rather watch a football game where some losers disrespect the nation. Maybe you should ask the 99% of NFL players who do not protest the flag what they think. Truth the vast majority of NFL players are like me. They, like me, keep it in their hearts and do as they see fit.

I hold no grudge towards any man who gives up something they enjoy to protest what they disagree with, but you and others seem to think your way is the only way. You would be wrong.

I have ancestors who have fought and died in every war since the French and Indian wars before the Revolution. Some have even fought and died on the both sides against each other. That would be the Revolution and the Civil War.

I have ancestors who lost loved ones, limbs, liberty, life, wealth, and sanity for something they believed in, just to grow old and realize the world changed so much that the causes they fought for would be trashed and the battle awards they won had to be left in a box in the bed stand.

My grandfather and Grandmother were called many things for marrying each other, because their grandparents fought on opposite sides of the Civil War. I can still feel the slime of the spit a young gal spat in my face after a dance when she learned I was in the service.

Even in today's so called tolerant world, my son is treated in places like a second class citizen because his Mother is Asian. No comfort, nor reasoning can reach him about the injustice of it.

Then there is my cousin who took a round in her thigh that ended her military service. The sad thing about her is she was fighting so people like Obama and Clinton could get elected and change the country. Her idea of what America should be has always been a bit skewed, buy now it's even worse.

Today I watch nothing but Fox shows in the evening, maybe a documentary now and then and my Vikings in the Fall. Haven't gone to the Movies since my wife and I watched the Titanic. I haven't been to a restaurant in 15 years, no fast food since 2000, stopped all magazine subscriptions back in 2003, and other than a few Country Western musicians, I even gave up on music.

My God, and My Vikings is what I follow. I know how things end, so I know God wins, but until my Vikings win I'll continue watching and hoping they win it all one day.

As you can see, my life is pretty boring, and as such I am real tired of others telling me how I should spend my leisure time. Spend yours as you wish, but do not preach to me that I should boycott the NFL, when I would bet a dollar to a dime that I have given up more in my fight against this world than you could even dream of sacrificing.

One day we will all face our maker, and the one thing I know that will have no bearing on where we spend eternity, will be how we handled our anger over the losers who keeled during the anthem before a football game.