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‘Make It So’: ‘Star Trek’ and Its Debt to Revolutionary Socialism
NY Times ^ | July 24, 2017 | A.M. Gittlitz

Posted on 07/27/2017 5:14:39 AM PDT by C19fan

H. G. Wells’s foundational work of political science fiction, “The Time Machine,” predicted a future in which a small utopia of sprightly elites is kept running by a subclass that lives below the ground and is reduced to bestial violence. This prediction, carried to a horrifically logical extent, represented the intense wealth disparity of the Victorian England in which Wells wrote the novel. Judging from the major political narratives of the fictions of our era, films like “The Hunger Games,” “Elysium” and “Snowpiercer,” the certainty of a future rendered increasingly barbarous by class division remains essentially the same.

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TOPICS: Society; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: books; fiction; literature; sciencefiction; scifi; socialism; star
When will the NY Times, Pravda on the Hudson, invite Fascists to write how wonderful Fascism is. Considering how the only institution one sees in Star Trek is Star Fleet one might think Star Trek reeks of Fascism too. What this Commie does not get is the lecturing about how utopia the future is especially during the TNG series was the worst parts of the Star Trek and fans revolted.
1 posted on 07/27/2017 5:14:39 AM PDT by C19fan
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I particularly love how they sneer that money is some kind of antiquated, silly notion from the past. Oh, really? So what are those people shoveling coal in the bowels of the ship (or whatever menial post they have) doing it for? The fun?

It’s just utterly illogical, like everything else the leftists imagine.


2 posted on 07/27/2017 5:20:51 AM PDT by Pravious
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I see Elysium as our grand children’s most probable future if we head down the road of socialism.


3 posted on 07/27/2017 5:23:22 AM PDT by Pollard (TRUMP 2016)
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‘Idiocracy’ appears to me to be where we’re heading.

’ Brawndo ‘, Plants love it.......It has electrolytes!


4 posted on 07/27/2017 5:30:35 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: C19fan

LOL!


5 posted on 07/27/2017 5:31:47 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: C19fan

I knew that there was a reason Scotty and the security guys all wore red shirts!


6 posted on 07/27/2017 5:36:15 AM PDT by iowamark
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Worst job in Star Trek? Mopping out the holodeck.


7 posted on 07/27/2017 5:36:25 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Whig Party died when it fled the great fight of its century. Ditto for the Republicans now.)
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They already did, back in the 1920s and 30s.


8 posted on 07/27/2017 5:38:25 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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My immediate response to that particular Star Trek: The Neurotic Generation episode was “Great! One of mankind’s dreams finally realized? Where to do I go to pick up my star cruiser and get some training for it? I am going to spend the rest of my life as a star tourist seeing the sites! What!?! It doesn’t work that way? Then there is scarcity - and where there is scarcity, there is money. Cough up my cash, Baldie.”


9 posted on 07/27/2017 5:43:35 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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I always like how critics portray the Morlocks as victims of the Eloi. Sure, the former labor in dark, subterranean tunnels to enable the leisure of the latter. But the Morlocks own the night, and the Eloi’s freedom comes at a terrible price.

They’re each others’ victims, if anything, in an oppressive symbiosis.


10 posted on 07/27/2017 5:53:39 AM PDT by IronJack
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The socialists with their heads up their butts refuse to recognize the foundational truth of mankind. We do not change. Mankind will always be greedy, self centered and willing to do whatever it takes to get ahead because man is greedy, self centered and willing to do whatever it takes to get ahead.

Socialist schemes always fail because they select winners and losers (the politic class wins and everyone else loses). And it is impossible to NOT select winners and loses. Once you place the power into a small groups hands for them to “benevolently” rule over the rest, then that group turns into a dictatorship. Power corrupts.

ONLY true capitalism avoids this by giving each person the power to change their own life by their own achievements.

Socialism works AGAINST man’s nature while capitalism works with man’s nature and shows that what profits each man best is to be profitable to the men around him.

The only way man’s nature can change is by man submitting his will to God and letting Jesus change him. But again, the socialists refuse to recognize that there even is a God let alone that we need to submit to him.


11 posted on 07/27/2017 5:53:43 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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Socialism is great until you run into this guy:

Let us not forget what Riker had to do get information.

Dare I say, use some money? ;)

TNG Riker and Quark (First Born)

12 posted on 07/27/2017 6:08:32 AM PDT by KC_Lion (If you want on First Lady Melania's, Ivanka Trump's or Sarah Palin's Ping Lists, just let me know.)
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Star Trek isn’t socialist. The replication technology has reduced the price of things to near zero. Star Trek people compete for positions and personal reputation. There appears to be a very strong honor code. A culture like that is alien to us in the present.


13 posted on 07/27/2017 7:10:57 AM PDT by captain_dave
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I see Elysium as our grand children’s most probable future if we head down the road of socialism.

I point this out often. "Socialism" is simply a rebirth of the Aristocracy/Feudal system which the emergence of the United States destroyed.

In the Aristocrat/Feudal system, there are only two classes, Wealthy and poor. There is no middle class. The hallmark of the United States was the creation of a stable middle class, and which thereafter caused the collapse of the Feudal Lord/Peasant system.

Socialism is merely the attempt to reestablish the older system that was ubiquitous before the creation of the United State changed the game to favor a broad middle class.

14 posted on 07/27/2017 8:34:03 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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Star Trek isn’t socialist. The replication technology has reduced the price of things to near zero. Star Trek people compete for positions and personal reputation. There appears to be a very strong honor code. A culture like that is alien to us in the present.

I am often very amused to see how "Star Trek" portrays a future in which technology (such as targeting control for offensive systems) doesn't even meet the capabilities of stuff they had in World War II.

Star Trek is a moral soap box for people who want to manipulate public opinion, and much of what it presents is simply wrong.

For example, with Transporter technology, you can pretty much insure that nobody ever dies and you could repair damage to your ship as soon as it occurs.

It's a fantasy. It's a liberals idea of a dream future, but one that is very much at odds with reality, much like liberal dreams of the present.

15 posted on 07/27/2017 8:40:24 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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Of course there’s one line in one movie where they say they don’t have money. Meanwhile repeatedly throughout every show they mention various forms of money. But everybody obsesses on that one line. They also forget Trek world has the tech to not need money for most things, it’s a true post scarcity world where work and survival are decoupled.


16 posted on 07/27/2017 8:50:52 AM PDT by discostu (Things are in their place, The heavens are secure, The whole thing explodes in my face)
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The Eloi are tasty... hmm good : )
ping
17 posted on 07/27/2017 1:06:11 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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Weena. What a waste!!


18 posted on 07/27/2017 3:22:16 PM PDT by IronJack
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Star Trek people compete for positions and personal reputation. There appears to be a very strong honor code. A culture like that is alien to us in the present.

So a lot like the Stalinist SovUn.

19 posted on 07/27/2017 6:45:32 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Winter is coming)
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“Who is capable of self-support?” he demanded. “There is no such thing in a civilized society as self-support. In a state of society so barbarous as not even to know family cooperation, each individual may possibly support himself, though even then for a part of his life only; but from the moment that men begin to live together, and constitute even the rudest sort of society, self-support becomes”
Edward Bellamy, Looking Backward

Here’s some 19th century American socialism for anyone interested in dystopian science fiction. I think his brother Francis is supposed to have written the pledge of allegiance.
Finally, we have a Francis who could say, “Lighten up Edward.”


20 posted on 07/27/2017 7:28:36 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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