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Chauvet Cave: The Most Accurate Timeline Yet Of Who Used The Cave And When
Science Now ^ | Tuesday, April 12, 2016 | Deborah Netburn

Posted on 04/18/2016 8:22:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

The cave, declared a UNESCO World Heritage site two years ago, was discovered in the south of France in 1994...

Now, scientists have assembled more than 250 radiocarbon dates made from rock art samples, animal bones and the remains of charcoal used by humans... The newly synthesized data suggest the first period of human occupation lasted from 37,000 to 33,500 years ago.

The second prehistoric occupation began 31,000 to 28,000 years ago and lasted for 2,000 to 3,000 years, the researchers wrote...

The two groups, separated by millenniums, had no connection with each other, they said. The first round of human occupation was likely longer than the second. It is also when most of the drawings were done.

Bears, which also left their mark on the cave walls through scratches over and under the art, appear to have used the cave from 48,500 to 33,300 years ago.

The authors were also able to determine that the end of each human occupancy of the caves coincided with rockfalls that may have sealed off the entrance to the cave, hiding it from humans for thousands of years.

The authors said the chronology of who used the cave and when will continue to become more precise as more data points are added to their model. But still, many questions remain. For example: Are the red paintings as old as the black paintings?

"Only the black paintings have been dated," Quiles and Geneste wrote. "The dating technique for the red paintings has yet to be developed."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: archaeology; bear; bears; cave; caveart; cavedrawings; cavepainting; cavepaintings; chauvet; france; godsgravesglyphs; losangelestimes; macroetymology; paleosigns
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To: Varda
Altamira was the first major discovery of paleolithic cave painting, found in northern Spain in the 1880s.

Before the fall when they wrote it on the wall
When there wasn't even any Hollywood
They heard the call
And they wrote it on the wall
For you and me we understood


Steely Dan - The Caves of Altimira

21 posted on 04/18/2016 11:26:13 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: IYAS9YAS

“If it looks like I could have painted it, it ain’t art. “

Have you ever been to Modern Art Gallery?
Trust me, if you can paint Window frames you’re better with Paint than they are. (!)


22 posted on 04/18/2016 11:53:01 AM PDT by moose07 (DMCS (Dit Me Cong San ) - Nah. ...Ermentrude chewed on some more grass and watched....)
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To: IYAS9YAS

I could never have painted the animals at Chauvet. They may seem crude to us, given later centuries of representational art; but they’re expressive and ‘kinetic’; lifelike; and the result of very careful observation. They also have an artistic cohesion that’s remarkable.

-JT


23 posted on 04/18/2016 12:04:01 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, If you can keep it.")
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for posting.


24 posted on 04/18/2016 12:11:51 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: moose07
Trust me, if you can paint Window frames you’re better with Paint than they are.

If an artist needs to explain to me what his or her piece means, or stands for, or expresses, it ain't art. That aside, I agree. And I would get paint on the panes. My wife does the painting in the family. I'm only good for the hard to reach stuff, and spray paint.

25 posted on 04/18/2016 12:18:43 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (I got nothin'.)
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To: Jamestown1630

lol!


26 posted on 04/18/2016 2:15:52 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: pax_et_bonum

My pleasure.


27 posted on 04/18/2016 2:18:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Beowulf9

A lot of people try to say that he was just a morose guy, and that the statement about ‘selling-out’ was a product of that, depression, and unfulfilled idealism. I think he was telling the truth, whatever the cause.

Though I do like some of the ‘Blue Period’, I think he just couldn’t sustain or build upon the kind of work he did in ‘The Old Fisherman’; and decided to be fashionable, instead.

(Donning my asbestos suit, in case of Picasso-loving viewers ;-)

-JT


28 posted on 04/18/2016 4:03:17 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, If you can keep it.")
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To: SunkenCiv

I like Rossetti; but my favorite of the PRB is Edward Burne-Jones; especially ‘Love and the Pilgrim’, and ‘Love Among the Ruins’.

-JT


29 posted on 04/18/2016 4:14:29 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, If you can keep it.")
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To: SunkenCiv

Yes a period of approximately 2-3000 years each time. Thousands of years apart. Then aomething happened that covered the cave...something catastrophic perhaps. Perhaps man rises and falls over and over again in this planet. It’s a pet theory of mine based on the story “Nightfall” by Isaac Asimov.


30 posted on 04/18/2016 4:29:25 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is..." - Milton)
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To: ez

I think you may be right, in a way. I haven’t read the book you reference, but maybe we’re just doing everything over and over again, in an ever upward, ever widening spiral.

-JT


31 posted on 04/18/2016 5:14:11 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, If you can keep it.")
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To: Jamestown1630

It’s neat. In the book, the planet has two suns and every, say, 5000 years both suns line up with the single moon in a total eclipse. And this happens to a race that has never known dark. They go mad each time and destroy their civilization and it takes 5000 years to rebuild until the next eclipse.


32 posted on 04/18/2016 5:39:09 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is..." - Milton)
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To: ez

Well, that’s not exactly what I was thinking of; but it sounds like a very interesting book :-)

-JT


33 posted on 04/18/2016 5:57:46 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, If you can keep it.")
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To: ez

https://www.uni.edu/morgans/astro/course/nightfall.pdf


34 posted on 04/19/2016 1:15:46 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ok, now is it me or it strange I mention Guernica and here on the next day is an article including a mention of Guernica on FR?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3422669/posts


35 posted on 04/19/2016 4:31:13 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

Danged lurkers. ;’)


36 posted on 04/19/2016 10:32:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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