Posted on 04/17/2016 6:27:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
A new study released last week included new evidence that links and further authenticates two holy relics that millions of Christians believe offer physical proof of the crucifixion, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. But before we explore the research and the relics, let us recall a New Testament passage concerning faith in Christ and the need for physical evidence. I mean the familiar story of doubting Thomas (John 20:2429).
The apostle Thomas was absent when the resurrected Christ appeared to some of the apostles. On hearing the astonishing news, Thomas declared, Unless I see the nail marks in his hand and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe. A week later, Jesus appeared, giving Thomas the physical proof he demanded. Then Jesus said, Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.
If in your faith walk you identify with Doubting Thomas, keep reading.
Remarkably, two ancient pieces of cloth, the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo, are extant today. Both are revered as relics, and each bears the name of the city where it currently resides.
First and foremost is the Shroud of Turin. Secured in a vault in the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist in Turin, Italy, the Shroud is believed by millions to be the burial cloth of Jesus. It is a fine linen cloth, measuring 14.5 feet by 3.5 feet, and mysteriously displays a finely detailed negative photographic image front and back, head to toe, of an anatomically correct man who appears to have been tortured, beaten, and crucified. Note that, in their accounts of Christs suffering and death on the cross, all four Gospels mention a fine linen cloth.
Perhaps it is a coincidence, but clearly seen on the body of the crucified man in the Shroud are gruesome markings consistent with the Gospel accounts of Christs Passion. You can count over 100 whip marks, possibly from scourging by Roman flagra, and identify on his wrists and feet obvious wounds that could have been from large spikes. Other markings are compatible with what could have been a crown of thorns. On closer examination, you can spot bruises (from beatings?) on his face, knees (from falling?), and the back of his shoulders (from carrying a heavy cross?), and a large bloody mark (from a spear?) in his side. Like the crucified Jesus in Gospel accounts, the man in the Shroud had no broken bones.
The Shroud, the most studied, analyzed, and tested religious relic in the world, has spawned a vast, global field of scientific study, called sindonology, but still baffles scientists. Its mysteries are many and complex. For brevitys sake, I will only scratch the surface (so to speak).
First among the major mysteries is how the image was made. Second, what is the substance constituting the image, which can be scraped away with a razor blade? The substance is undetermined all man-made materials have been ruled out and only rests on top of the cloth; it does not penetrate the cloths linen fibers. The third mystery is related to the second: Blood from the crucified man penetrated the cloth, as one would expect, but also preceded the impression of the mans image. Blood first, image second is a mantra of Shroud researchers. This order is logical if the man in the Shroud was in fact Christ, who would have been wrapped in the linen Shroud days before the electrical event (see below) that accompanied his resurrection and resulted in the human image.
The only evidence that would conclusively authenticate the Shroud against naysayers and claims of forgery is Jesus DNA. It would be matched against the blood type AB found on the Shroud and considered rare.
Enter the Sudarium of Oviedo. It resides in the Cathedral of Oviedo, in Spain. The Sudarium is a piece of linen cloth, 34 by 21 inches, thought to have been used to cover the head of Jesus immediately after the crucifixion (John 20:7). Unlike the Shroud, the Sudarium does not display an image. The Sudarium contains male blood of type AB, however, which matches the blood on the Shroud. Moreover, the patterns of blood flow on the Sudarium are consistent with those of a crucified man.
Indeed, the Sudarium and the Shroud covered the same person, as Juan Manuel Miñarro, the author of a study sponsored by the Spanish Center of Sindonology, recently concluded. We have come to a point where it seems absurd to suggest that by happenstance all of the wounds, lesions and swelling coincides on both cloths, said the centers president, Jorge-Manuel Rodríguez. Logic requires that we conclude that we are speaking of the same person.
The studys conclusion was no surprise to Sudarium expert Janice Bennett, author of Sacred Blood, Sacred Image: The Sudarium of Oviedo, New Evidence for the Authenticity of the Shroud of Turin (2001). Bennett, who has been studying the Sudarium since 1997, tells me that,
Although Miñarro stops short of linking the two cloths to Jesus, ample research has yielded staggering evidence. For example, both linens show bloodstains on the head, in approximately the same position, that were formed by sharp objects, similar to what thorns would produce. Jesus was the only person in recorded history to have been crowned with thorns before crucifixion.
Bennett explains as well that the Shroud and the Sudarium are consistent with Jewish burial customs of Jesus day:
Another important matter is that the cadaver that was wrapped by both the Sudarium and the Shroud suffered death by crucifixion, but was afforded a Jewish burial. This is highly unusual because most crucifixion victims were left on the cross for days and the bones were later deposited in common graves.
Bennett adds that the new research establishes approximately 20 points of correlation [between the Shroud and the Sudarium], which more than satisfies the standards of proof used by most judicial systems around the world, which require only 8 to10.
My own keen interest in the Shroud led me to visit Turin in 2010 and again in 2015, the last two occasions when the Shroud was on public display. Having written about it for years, I have forged relationships with some of the most renowned experts, including Russ Breault, president of the Shroud of Turin Education Project Inc., and Barrie Schwortz, who founded Shroud.com, the first and most comprehensive Shroud site.
Topping my list is Giulio Fanti of Padua University. In 2012, Fanti concluded that an electrical charge in the form of radiation is what likely caused the mans image to be imprinted on the Shroud. He has also dated the Shroud to the time of Jesus, debunking the flawed carbon-14 testing conducted in 1988.
While the Shroud of Turin shows both a double body image [the bodys front and back, as the cloth was wrapped around the body] and human bloodstains, the Sudarium of Oviedo only shows human bloodstains consistent with the blood principally coming out from the mouth and nose, Fanti tells me. He elaborates:
There are many coincidences between Shroud and Sudarium that lead one to think that both sheets were used for the same person: Jesus Christ. Both have been used for a bearded man with moustache and long hair who was crucified. A significant match has been found when overlapping the Sudarium bloodstains on the Shroud face: Even the two bloodstains caused by the crown of thorns on the forehead of the Shroud man show a correspondence with the bloodstains of the Sudarium.
If you have read this far but, like Doubting Thomas, still need physical proof to accept the resurrection of Christ, I recommend that you research first the Shroud and then the Sudarium. Both have survived centuries. Their markings are consistent with Scripture accounts of Christs torture and execution. Both contain not only the same rare blood type but also pollen of a kind found only in ancient Israel. The Shroud and the Sudarium authenticate each other.
Traditionally, the Sudarium has been considered a living testimony of Jesus passion and death on the cross, while the Shrouds mysteriously formed image was hailed as a proclamation of his Resurrection, Jane Bennett explains, in her beautiful description of this meeting of faith and science. In the studies conducted on the Sudarium and the Shroud, science has served to corroborate eyewitness accounts that have always been considered by many as a mere profession of faith. In this case, science and faith so often mistakenly believed to be incompatible have only served to enrich each another and, in the process, bring the world closer to the actual truth of the events that transpired two thousand years ago.
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free (John 8:32).
Myra Adams is a media producer and political writer.
Who told you either of those non-facts? Drinking of wine was part of the Jewish religion because the fruit of the grape could not be kept long with out fermenting. Period. There is evidence he was an Essene.
I have studied the Shroud of Turin for over 40 years. Your claim that the Shroud of Turin image has it's hands on its knees is ludicrous. The image's hands are crossed over the groin are, a long distance away from the knees. Under computer enhancement, it is possible to discern the Man on the Shroud was circumsized (per Barrie Schwortz, the principal photographer of the Shroud or Turin Research Project (STURP), and nowhere near his knees. The legs were somewhat bent from being on the Cross, and being in Rigor Mortis. The mage was NOT in a sitting position. SHEESH! If you think the Shroud image is of a man with his hands on his knees because he's's a seated position, you literally do not know what you are talking about!
I don't have to assume. The back image shows the shoulders flat
Have they done a blood type test on the Veronica’s veil that is not at the Vatican. I can never remember how to spell the town
You really know nothing about First Century Jewish burial customs, do you? You are conflating EGYPTIAN burial methods with what is written quite extensively in the Mishnah and Talmud about how a Jewish Burial is to be accomplished, requiring burial before sundown on the day of death of a Jewish person. . . which literally does not allow much time to swaddle a body after cleaning, anointing, etc.. . before the sun drops below the horizon. Jesus died at about 3 PM, and sundown was at around 7:30. That meant that his friends had to get permission to take him off the cross, permission to bury him instead of leaving him to the vagaries of weather and wild animals (the usual practice), gather the spices, persuade the Roman soldiers they had permission, get the body down, pulling the nails, etc. All before 7:30 at which time Sabbath started. . . and no work could be done and the helpers had to be ritually clean before then. That's a LOT to be done in a short amount of time. They probably did not get started until at least 4PM. . . and they had to walk everywhere. Learn something about the customs before you claim something you obviously know very little about.
The one thing they WOULD have covered would have been his face, the one thing you say they did not. Again, Sheesh!
I’m pretty sure it is the same blood type on the veil as the shroud. DNA and stuff I don’t know.
You do realize that you are discussing from an ignorant position the single most examined and research object in history, by people working in their field of expertise, who have NOT FOUND these "issues of image size" and other problems the skeptics keep bringing up, because they simply do not exist. I am referring to anatomists, medical forensic pathologists, medical doctors, Anthropologists, photography, light physics, Chemistry, Pyrolosys, etc. who have degrees in these scientific fields, as well as skilled artists who also do not find these problems you list. The people have Doctoral degrees and PhDs in the fields in which they are studying the Shroud, applying their fields of expertise to what they are looking at and their specialized knowledge of anatomy, pathology, medicine, anthropology, art, art history, publishing their findings in peer-reviewed scientific journals.
On the other hand the people bringing these issues up include a Geologist, a failed stage magician, and a guy with a degree in English Literature. . . working completely outside any field of expertise they may have, if any, throwing brickbats about things they know nothing about, and using a load of ad hominem attack arguments against the scientists on the other sides, calling them "pseudoscientists," when they are anything but that.
Their, and your claim, that the hands cannot be crossed over the groin, is demonstrably false. I can do it easily. So can most people.
Blood type is an easy test, DNA is not. Blood types can be tested by using specific Anti-gens. DNA requires a much more sophisticated test and requires the chains be unbroken. the Anti-gens will be there regardless of broken DNA strands or not.
Try this. . . put your body in rigor mortis after hanging on a cross with your body hanging down. Now do it.
There are two supposed veils. Town of
Manapoello..or. something like that
According to all the science it was not lying flat on its back, That's more obfuscation from the skeptics who just don't bother to follow the science, and choose to ignore the research and peer-reviewed research.
How certain are we that the man on the shroud is in rigor mortis?
From ShroudStory.com, by Shroudie (A fellow Freeper), Dan Porter.
A reader, a student at Georgetown University in Washington, D. C. writes:
Stephen Jones bases much of his argument on the belief that the TSM [=Turin Shroud Man] is in rigor mortis. That may not be true. Michael M. Baden, a board-certified forensic pathologist who was at one time the Chief Medical Examiner for New York City, examined the shroud and found no evidence of rigor.
According to Bernard Ruffin in his 1999 book The Shroud of Turin, Baden didnt say it exactly that way:
Although Baden insisted that he could not tell from his examination of the Shroud photographs whether rigor mortis was present, other medical experts who had looked at the image were able to discern this stiffening of the limbs which is a result of postmortem chemical changes.
It is subtle, but there is a distinct difference in implied meaning between found no evidence and could not tell . . . whether rigor mortis was present
Joe Nickell, quotes Baden directly, "If I had to go into a courtroom, I could not say there was rigor. That seems to me to carry more uncertainty than the phrase found no evidence.
So, no; as I see it Baden did not rule out rigor mortis. That may be a moot point, however. The fact of the matter is that many highly qualified people see good evidence of rigor in the photographs of the shroud. Even so, because this is a matter of opinion, there is a good question in what the Georgetown student writes: How certain are we that the man on the shroud is in a state of rigor mortis?
Lets look at what others have said starting with William Meacham:
. . . Under the direction of Yves Delage, professor of comparative anatomy, a study was undertaken of the physiology and pathology of the apparent body imprint and of the possible manner of its formation. The image was found to be anatomically flawless down to minor details: the characteristic features of rigor mortis, wounds, and blood flows provided conclusive evidence to the anatomists that the image was formed by direct or indirect contact with a corpse, not painted onto the cloth or scorched thereon by a hot statue (two of the current theories). On this point all medical opinion since the time of Delage has been unanimous (notably Hynek 1936; Vignon 1939; Moedder 1949; Caselli 1950; La Cava 1953; Sava 1957; Judica-Cordiglia 1961; Barbet 1963 ; Bucklin 1970; Willis, in Wilson 1978; Cameron 1978; Zugibe, in Murphy 1981). This line of evidence is of great importance in the question of authenticity and is briefly reviewed below.
Rigor mortis is seen in the stiffness of the extremities, the retraction of the thumbs (discussed below), and the distention of the feet. It has frozen an attitude of death while hanging by the arms; the rib cage is abnormally expanded, the large pectoral muscles are in an attitude of extreme inspiration (enlarged and drawn up toward the collarbone and arms), the lower abdomen is distended, and the epigastric hollow is drawn in sharply. The protrusion of the femoral quadriceps and hip muscles is consistent with slow death by hanging, during which the victim must raise his body by exertion of the legs in order to exhale.
Fred Zugibe wrote:
Moreover, most forensic experts agree that the Man of the Shroud shows evidence of rigor mortis because of the bent knees and absence of a neck, therefore indicating that the crucified was dead for some time before being taken down from the cross.
The body appears to be in a state of rigor mortis which is evidenced by an overall stiffness as well as specific alterations in the appearance of the lower extremities from the posterior aspect. The imprint of the right calf is much more distinct than that of the left indicating that at the time of death the left leg was rotated in such a way that the sole of the left foot rested on the ventral surface of the right foot with resultant slight flexion of the left knee. That position was maintained after rigor mortis had developed.
Barbara Faccini, Emmanuel M. Carreira, Giulio Fanti, Jose de Palacios, Jose Delfin Villalain wrote:
Keep in mind that about 100lbs of spices and herbs were packed under, around, and about the body, supporting it at various places. It was also the custom as described in the Mishnah to bind the ankles, wrist, and around the face with either cords or cloths to keep the limbs from flopping akimbo and the jaw from gaping open when rigor passed, which would tend to retain the position the body was place in when positioned in the niche in the tomb.The asymmetrical bending of knees ( and ß angles), the unnatural bending of ankles ( angle) leading to an almost flat position of the right footprint, and the absence of flattening in the buttocks area (which is typical in a lying subject) are remarkable and only compatible with an extreme rigidity in a human body.
This position has been achieved most probably on the cross, where the head was freely hanging down ( angle); it has been fixed by rigor mortis and maintained after deposition, but for the arms,
“The one thing they WOULD have covered would have been his face, the one thing you say they did not. Again, Sheesh!”
And you want to accuse me of not knowing whereof I speak.
Did John know what he was talking about?
John 19 —
“So he came and took away His body. 39 Nicodemus, who at first came to Jesus by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, weighing about seventy-five pounds.[d] 40 Then they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews. 41 Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden was a new tomb in which no one had ever been buried. 42 So because of the Jewish Day of Preparation, and since the tomb was nearby, they buried Jesus there.”
Because of time constraints, the only part they did not wrap was the face, and they covered it with a cloth.
Some people think that the burial wraps had formed into a cocoon, because of the procedures they used, and that was why, when Peter entered the tomb, he immediately “believed”. The cocoon was still intact.
The back image shows the shoulders flat and the front image shows the palms crossed. The human body can’t do that. Rigor mortis makes a body stiff for about a day. It doesn’t make the arms a foot longer.
People do tend to think that once rigor mortis sets in that the body remains rigid.
Part of the Nazarite vow was that they could not drink wine. Nothing to do with fermentation or storing grape juice. Jesus was a Nazarene.
“There is evidence he was an Essene.”
When you step away from the Bible, you can believe a lot that is not true. Jesus being an Essene is found nowhere in the Bible, so I am not worried about that.
Only for a period of time:
After death, respiration in organisms ceases, depleting the corpse of oxygen used in the making of adenosine triphosphate (ATP). When oxygen is no longer present the body may continue to produce ATP via anaerobic glycolysis. When the body’s glycogen is depleted, the ATP concentration diminishes and the body enters rigor mortis.[2] ATP is required to cause separation of the cross-bridges during relaxation.[3] Additionally, calcium enters the cytosol after death. Calcium is released into the cytosol due to the deterioration of the sarcoplasmic reticulum. Also, additional calcium enters the cytosol from the extracellular fluid due to the breakdown of the sarcolemma. The calcium activates the formation of myosin-actin cross-bridging. Once calcium is introduced into the cytosol, it binds to the troponin of thin filaments, which causes the troponin-tropomyosin complex to change shape and allow the myosin heads to bind to the active sites of actin proteins.[1] In rigor mortis myosin heads continue binding with the active sites of actin proteins via adenosine diphosphate (ADP) and the muscle is unable to relax until further enzyme activity degrades the complex.[3]
Normal relaxation would occur by replacing ADP with ATP, which would destabilize the myosin-actin bond and break the cross-bridge.[1] However, as it is absent, there must be a breakdown of muscle tissue by enzymes (endogenous or bacterial) during decomposition. As part of the process of decomposition, the myosin heads are degraded by the enzymes, allowing the muscle contraction to release and the body to relax.[4][5] Decomposition of the myofilaments occurs forty-eight to sixty hours after the peak of rigor mortis which occurs approximately twelve hours after death.[1]
Source: Wikipedia
I’m not at all surprised if a good, and plausible image of Jesus exists. That is a witness of Him.
How did it get there, and what should it mean to us, might be different questions.
I think we don’t want to lower our regard of Jesus into a realm that better deserves the name of superstition. Meeting Jesus, or encountering a witness of Jesus, should move us to act on the level of receiving some impetus of the Holy Spirit. It isn’t a rabbit’s foot to rub for our own wishes that don’t match up with His plan. If we aren’t already disposed to be reverent, the thoughts we might get out of such an encounter might be vulgar, rather than exalted.
How such a thing might play out in the case of Jesus’ temporary death could be anybody’s guess. This is the King of the laws of physics Himself. At some point the decomposition would have to stop and the matter begin to knit back together in a way that wasn’t seen since the days of creation. It might not even qualify to be called a physical event, but something like a supra-physical event.
We may never know while here on this earth exactly what happened, but that is a part of life.
The Lord has put it sufficiently close to us to get it within the realm of choosing to believe on Him or to forever scoff.
I am, I believe, past the point of being lost in scoffing. Heaven itself will certainly have sufficient room for the details. When Jesus said “hold My wine and watch this” it wasn’t for some groaner of a redneck joke. It was for an act of love to floor us. I try, sometimes miserably failing, to be a mirror to this.
I hear you, friend.
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