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What I Will Probably Never Understand About The Undying Affection For Donald Trump
Townhall ^ | March 12, 2016 | John Hawkins

Posted on 03/12/2016 5:07:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

It's easy for me to understand why people were so favorably disposed toward Trump at first because initially, I liked him, too. I'd read and liked Trump's books, I found him to be gracious in person and I had friends who went to work for him. I also loved his charisma, his stance on the wall, his refreshing lack of political correctness, his scrappiness and his ability to just shrug off what would be career-ending mistakes for other Republican politicians.

Unfortunately today, Trump looks to be completely unelectable. There are massive numbers of Republicans pledging not to vote for him in the general election; sitting members of congress are saying they won't support him in the general; Mitch McConnell is openly telling Republican senators they can distance themselves from him. Trump's been publicly condemned by the last GOP nominee (Romney); his unfavorability numbers are equaling those of Bill "the face of date rape" Cosby (Cosby, July of last year, 62% unfavorability while Trump's rating is 62% now). He'll be dramatically outspent in a general election and contrary to what he's promised, he's not going to finance his own campaign. He will have to deal with a massive Trump University fraud case during the general election; he's the most gaffe-prone candidate in history and the mainstream media that has been carrying him on its shoulders will turn on him once he's the nominee.

Despite all of this, there are many smart people who think Trump will do wonderfully in an election. Some of them note that Trump has driven record turn-out in the states he's won without noting that record numbers of people turned out to vote against him in the states he lost. Others point out that nobody thought Trump would be doing as well in the primary, but of course, it's a split field. Had this been a one on one race, Ted Cruz would be ahead of Trump in delegates right now. Then there are people who point to the outlier poll here and there that shows Trump winning the general, but he consistently loses to Hillary head-to-head.

Yet, there are many smart people who know something about campaigns that think Trump can win the general election. Not a one of them has ever made a rational, logical case for it, but "they have a feeling." Barring a miracle, the second Trump is the nominee, almost no matter what he does, Hillary wins; we lose the Senate big and bleed House seats; the SCOTUS swings wildly to the left; Obamacare and Obama's executive orders stay, but this doesn't bother people because "Trump changes all the rules"....or something.

Setting that aside, as I have already noted, I can understand people liking Trump early on. I have friends and family members who still like him, which is why I don't criticize anyone for backing Trump, have nothing negative to say about the people endorsing him and won't actively encourage people not to vote for him. I believe intelligent, well-meaning people can have differences of opinion.

However, I genuinely don't understand why so many people think a man who is unpredictable, thin-skinned, mean spirted, vindictive and who often blurts out stupid things is the sort of person who is suited to be President of the United States. The same traits that have made Trump a success on reality TV would make him a horrible POTUS. Even if you ignore the fact that Trump is temperamentally unsuited to be President of the United States, he's also saying creepy, fascistic things that should alarm people.

In the debate before last, the discussion was Donald Trump's policy of "taking out" the families of terrorists. So, let's define the ugly reality of what Trump's glib remarks would look like in the real world. We're talking about sending American soldiers to peaceful areas to shoot women and babies in the head because they're related to someone who committed a terrorist attack. When the moderator noted that a former CIA director had said troops wouldn't obey that order because it was inarguably a war crime, Trump replied, "They won't refuse. They're not gonna refuse me. Believe me." That's a dangerous statement, the sort of statement you'd expect to hear from a fascist or a dictator. It becomes even more troubling when you consider it in concert with Trump's comments about China violently suppressing a pro-democracy demonstration.

When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak... as being spit on by the rest of the world.

I'm of the opinion that it would be dangerous to our republic to allow someone with those kind of openly fascistic leanings to ever have control of the IRS, the CIA, the FBI, the DOJ, our military or nuclear weapons. While we're at it, saying "Islam hates us" may impress people on some Internet comment boards, but that's not an appropriate thing to say for someone who wants to be President. Additionally, when asked about the violence that occurs at his rallies, Trump essentially said he condemns the violence unless it's deserved. Of course, we have no word on whether Trump thinks the female reporter who was assaulted by his campaign manager deserved it because Trump's dishonorable way of dealing with it is just lying and claiming it didn't happen. When you think a man should be allowed to assault a woman as long as he's affiliated with Donald Trump, your moral compass is broken and there's something wrong with your soul.

What I don't get is why there are so many people who insist that every criticism of the world's least stable politician must be off base or worse yet, why they acknowledge that these criticisms are accurate and continue to support him anyway. It's so strange to talk to strong conservative Christian patriots who support Trump DESPITE THE FACT that they agree with most of the criticisms leveled at him. I guarantee you that 95% of Trump's current supporters would have considered it an insult if you told them a year ago that they'd back a celebrity birther for President who'd talk about his penis on stage at a debate, encourage violence at his rallies and mock POWs. Yet, here we are.

I don't understand how so many good Christians can support an adulterer who claims to also be a Christian, but also says he's never had a reason to ask God for forgiveness.

I don't understand how so many rock-ribbed conservatives can support an obvious flimflam man whose positions seem to change almost day-by-day and will undeniably change even more if he's nominated.

I don't understand how so many parents can support a man who's a horrible example for their children. Yes, Trump's had a great business career, but his character is at the bottom of the barrel. He's crude and arrogant and he treats other people like garbage.

I don't understand how so many people who say they only care about illegal immigration can support a guy who was pushing amnesty three years ago and is in favor of citizenship for illegal aliens now when a stronger candidate on illegal immigration, Ted Cruz, is in the race.

I don't understand how so many people who care about the Constitution can support a man who's probably never even read it and wouldn't care about anything in it if he did.

I don't understand how so many fundamentally decent people who were furious at Bill Clinton for degrading the presidency can back a man who mocks the disabled, lies as often as both of the Clintons put together, brags about sleeping with married women and who said, "it really doesn't matter what they write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass."

I don't understand how so many smart people can back a guy who's too lazy to study anything beyond the basics of any policy issue. Donald Trump doesn't seem to know any more about the policies of the country he'd be running today than he did the day he got into the race. Trump knows the results of every poll in America that are favorable to him; so why can't he take the time to learn something about the government policies of the nation he wants to lead?

Most of all, I don't understand how so many good people can support a hateful, fundamentally dishonest, divisive man who's turned friends and allies in the conservative movement against each other and who has shown over and over that he doesn't care about anything but himself.

If all these people were phony, insincere, dumb or corrupt, that would be an easy explanation, but I know that doesn't describe the vast majority of people who back Trump. Most of them are intelligent, well-meaning people. If the only choice were between Trump and some horrible establishment candidate no one wanted, I might understand at least a little bit, but it's not. If Donald Trump were a close relative or had saved your baby from being eaten by alligators, I could understand the blind loyalty that forgives him for anything, but that's not what's happening.

The good news for people who support Trump and the bad news for those of us who find him to be a repulsive, narcissistic con man is that by staying in the race this long, John Kasich and Marco Rubio have nearly guaranteed Trump the nomination. If Trump does lock it down, my guess is that it will start off with cheers and joyful proclamations that the hated establishment has been defeated and it will likely end with cries of "betrayal," years of grudges and a lopsided defeat while Trump happily pitches his latest products from Mexico and China to the fans he picked up during his run at the presidency. The one thing we may never truly understand is why so many good and decent people were blindly loyal to someone like Trump when they had every opportunity to see what kind of man he really was beforehand.

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1 posted on 03/12/2016 5:07:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet


He’s the only one who even mentions sealing the stinkin’ border.

2 posted on 03/12/2016 5:08:24 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There are massive numbers of Republicans pledging not to vote for him in the general election

A phenomenon we see on FR threads every election. "I will not vote for someone that is not pure enough for me".

3 posted on 03/12/2016 5:09:37 PM PST by pfflier
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Because like most of the “conservative media” the author is dogmatic who cannot be bother to think about anything that challenges his indoctrinated “Conservative” dogmas. So instead of trying to LEARN, he merely filters everything thru the dogma.

4 posted on 03/12/2016 5:09:50 PM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nobody wanted Reagan but We The People

Nobody wants Trump either but We The People.

5 posted on 03/12/2016 5:10:12 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: DuncanWaring

“Trump looks to be completely unelectable. “

Doesn’t look like that to me at all.

6 posted on 03/12/2016 5:10:17 PM PST by JPJones
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To: DuncanWaring

It wasn’t anywhere near the table (much less on it) until Trump came along.

7 posted on 03/12/2016 5:10:27 PM PST by BlackAdderess (Brexit, Grexit... USexit???)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A country with a porous border is not a country.

8 posted on 03/12/2016 5:10:57 PM PST by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

New FAU Florida poll: Florida Atlantic University GOP Primary Poll
March 8-11
Trump: 44% (+23)
Rubio: 21%
Cruz: 21%
Kasich: 9%

9 posted on 03/12/2016 5:11:04 PM PST by sarasotarepublican (Politicians are like diwapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

people select candidates they like not based on whether they’re electable or not, but whether they think x candidate is the best candidate to represent them. Politicos never understand this while the obsessed over polls compiled by the enemy

10 posted on 03/12/2016 5:11:04 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: pfflier

I’d vote for Trump _if_ he were the nominee. He hasn’t won it yet.

11 posted on 03/12/2016 5:11:27 PM PST by glorgau
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Partisan pro-Cruz guy from “”.

Just saying.

12 posted on 03/12/2016 5:11:31 PM PST by cba123
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To: JPJones

Let’s talk Wed morning.

13 posted on 03/12/2016 5:11:32 PM PST by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject)
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To: DuncanWaring
Townhall is a Salem media-owned website. Just like Hot Air, they are completely in the tank for the GOPe.

I deleted all my bookmarks from Salem websites, and no longer purchase books from their writers.

14 posted on 03/12/2016 5:11:39 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Yuge 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Unfortunately today, Trump looks to be completely unelectable

Only if you are watching through Cheap Labor Express glasses.

More people who haven’t voted in years or ever are registering and voting.

The citizens are sick of the illegal alien inundation.

They finally have someone who says he’ll stop it.


15 posted on 03/12/2016 5:13:14 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is a good example of the divide in the GOP voters. An excellent example of the argument between Dogmatism and Realism. It not “low information” or “anger” that drives the Trump people. It is Realism.

The 2016 GOP Primary has brought to the front an old divide in Conservatism. There currently is a war being waged between the Dogmatics and the Realists. The Dogmatist care nothing about political realities, only the purity of the candidate political dogma matters to them. The Realist understands you have to be able to advance the political ball down the field to achieve the goals of the dogma. The Realist understands some times a flawed tool is going work better then the flawlessly poltical pure tool.

Reagan, who was a realist, wrote about it.

By Ronald Reagan in his autobiography An American Life

“When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn’t like it. “Compromise” was a dirty word to them and they wouldn’t face the fact that we couldn’t get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don’t get it all, some said, don’t take anything. I’d learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: ‘I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.’ If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that’s what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it.

Th Dogmatic at NR, Town Hall, Red State and the rest of the “Conservative” media sneer at the realist as being “nihlistic towards DC and the GOP”.

It is not Nihilism, it Realism. Since 1988 Conservatives have faithfully pledges their treasure and time to the GOP. Despite elections successes in 1988, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2010 and 2014 what have Conservative gotten from the GOP?

Prosperity? Nope worse economy since 1979.

Reduction in Government-nope as expense, corrupt, incompetent, intrusive and bigger then ever

Supreme Court? Nope as far left as it has ever been.

A Nation secure? Nope at risk in a dangerous world. Military broken, exhausted and overextended.

A respect for rule of law and the Constitution? Nope. Goveremnt, and society, is more lawless then it has ever been.

A healthy growing vibrant society? Nope stagnant or in decline everywhere in every way.

So, it not Nihilism, it Realism. It is a realistic assessment that doing the same thing again this year electorally is going to continue this decline and degradation from DC.You can only overcome inertia in any system with force. So we need to force DC out of it denigrate path onto a new path. So why Trump rather then Cruz?

I know this falls on deaf ears with 100%ers at NR, Red State and other “Conservative” media but the fact remains, we are a Constitutional Republic that rests on the notion that the people’s Representatives in Government know how to compromise and negotiate.

This feeling that Cruz will ride into DC and dictate the Conservative Media’s 100%er terms to everyone else there is simply wishful thinking. What is more probably is Cruz would be a GOP Carter.

Carter was the same sort of religious political puritan who went to DC and assumed he would dictate his political dogmas to everyone there. The record shows how badly that idea failed.

“Conservative” politicians talk a good game and then go to DC and accomplish nothing. After 30 years of fail, it is time to try another solution. The winning candidate is, brace yourseelf.... going to have to cut DEALS! And some times those deals require..compromise!!!

Another fail point for the “Principled Conservatives” is they think only as far as the election. Then once they win their purity candidates go to DC and fail against the inertia of the DC/Media political machine. 1988-1994-1998-2000-2002-2004-2010-2014 are all example of where this “Next election” mindset has failed.

Trump is merely the 1st wave of a multi wave assault. Cruz might do for a follow up wave, he is not a 1st wave candidate. Without Trump to lead the way, the Cruz boat would of either been ignored because it was irrelevant, or been shelled into oblivion by the $10s of millions of GOPE attack ads.

The 1st wave job in any assault is to shatter the defenses and open the road for the follow up waves. No matter how flawed you think the vessel is, Trump is the best 1st wave political assault team we have had to hand in my lifetime.

We need to use Trump for all he is worth to shatter the corrupt, “my party right or wrong” mindset that grips vast swaths of the electorate. Break that inertia, get the people thinking outside the party label box and real change is possible. Do not an we slide into a stagnate European style decline that will not end in my lifetime. Cruz shares that agenda point but is not as well equipped by background and media following to achieve that break through as Trump

We either win this now or we have little chance of ever doing it again politically. Once we win we must relentlessly stay on the attack election wave after election wave until we are dead.

I am really not willing to leave this fight to my kids and grand-kids. We have let the ship of state drift since Reagan in the hands of the “smart people”. We failed and must redeem that failure.

This is our generation’s “go” time

16 posted on 03/12/2016 5:13:23 PM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He gets as good as he gets.

Trump fights back; he doesn’t fold like a cheap suit.

You think the rest of the field could stand up to a few crazed leftist thugs?

I don’t think so.

Tump is getting huge crowds that are enthusiastic and motivated.

You don’t see that from other candidates.

Trump consistently gets the most votes. No wonder the elites hate him.

You can’t bottle lightning and you can’t bottle Trump.

17 posted on 03/12/2016 5:13:45 PM PST by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You can have a welfare state, or open borders, not both - Milton Friedman.

18 posted on 03/12/2016 5:13:48 PM PST by proust (Texans for Trump! The Art Of The Comeback!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Trump is not unelectable, then he wouldn’t be beating the other candidates in the primary. Argument is illogical

If you’re not good enough to beat the semi finalist team, you’re not good enoough to go into the finals

19 posted on 03/12/2016 5:13:48 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gosh someone who doesn’t understand

More whining from folks who can’t control the man who is running

20 posted on 03/12/2016 5:14:07 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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