Posted on 02/14/2016 9:47:13 PM PST by OneVike
I have been a member of FreeRepublic since February 1998, and in all my years I have ever seen so many Freepers support, and defend such a leftist candidate as Donald Trump. In the old days, any candidate that spouted the rhetoric coming out of his mouth would have been received with unanimous hatred from Freepers.
Mitt Romney was met with scorn when he claimed to have changed and was more conservative than his record showed. However, The Donald says the same thing and he is allowed to wear his liberal record as badge of honor, because he has been born again. Never mind that his fruit smells like Skubala. Any Republican candidate in the past who supported partial birth abortion was considered dead on arrival with 99.9% of Freepers. Yet a vast number of Freepers today look at Trump's defense of PP, and attack the candidate who dares to bring it up at a debate.
Thinking I have stumbled in some black hole of Bizzaro World, I decided to spend most the night, after the debate yesterday, researching past posts and comments of many Freepers who support Trump. I must admit that I wasn't too shocked to see that not all, but the vast majority, of his supporters have joined FR within the last 8 years. However I pretty much only searched the opinions of his most ardent supporters.
Interestingly enough, the ones I researched, all demanded that both Houses of Congress go after Planned Parenthood for selling baby parts. Many of them even demanded that the House use their power of the purse to defund PP. Yet these very same individuals defend, and make excuse for Trump's defense of said abortion factory, or at least claim it's bothersome but will still support him. These same individuals, however, were demanding McConnell resign for failing to pass legislation in the senate defunding PP. I did similar searches on their opinions of various other topics that Trump defends which would normally be cause of revulsion from these supporters had it been any other politician.
Well, I must admit that I am rather stunned by the way they have so easily changed their stances.
Who would have known that those who accused Jimmy Carter of never meeting a dictator and communist he didn't like, would now tout that his endorsement of Trump is not Trumps problem, and some even claim it will help him with Democrat voters in November. So we are now to welcome a politician that will get votes from leftists?
I thought the idea was to win them over to conservatism, not to abandon our beliefs just to get them to vote for our guy. So when will Freepers decide we need to change our stances on topics like "Black Lives Matter" to get more blacks to vote for our guy, or maybe we can find a good Muslim candidate who has made billions and talks a good game. Hey, so what if he may support Sharia law, just think of all those Muslim votes we can get from refugees Obama shipped in and we could actually own Dearborn Michigan. There has got to be some great female politicians who support PP that we could get behind, After all, we do have a problem with the female vote, right?
Yea, I'm just an old timer with old time values from the days when The Donald was still giving money to the Clintons and laughing at Republicans for making such a big deal over BJs in the Oval Office. Yup, just a geezer who remembers the wall of separation set up by Jamie Gorelick to keep Clinton from being prosecuted over Witewater which led to the attack on 9/11.
I guess I'm a conspiracy believer who thinks 9/11 was Clinton's fault, not GW's, and that the Weapons of Mass Destruction the NY Times finally admitted existed were originally sold to the public by the Clinton's to help get the Democrats on board for the war on Iraq.
Those were the good old days when we used to rip apart fake politicians for trying too hard to fit into our club, instead of ripping the messengers for noticing a fake when we see one.
Yea, that was before FreeRepublic jumped the Shark.
I think your judgmental attitude toward someone who God loves as much as he loves you, getting that past Christ. In fact, people like you who are so pious and self-righteous he had many choice words for - such as vipers and snakes. He despised those who felt they were more holy than others. Is Trump a sinner? Yes, but, so are all of us. God can’t do anything with those who think they are holier-than-thou.
Thanks. I’ll watch the video. I have known from the beginning Trump hasn’t changed.
I will admit I will vote for the winner of the nomination because I would feel worse if Hillary won due to my sitting out.
That being said I want to stop Trump so we get the right guy.
Especially with the death of Scalia
And, not once since being elected has he even mentioned that wall. Not once. He didn’t even mention it when he announced his candidacy - so, he had no intention of building a wall - it was campaign rhetoric to get him to where he wanted to go - to the presidency.
No opinion other than I hate the phrase “jump the shark”.
+1
I am a life long conservative. My first choice along with my best friend since Kindergarten was Cruz, but as I found out more and more about him I started getting a bad feeling. When Sarah Palin who knows them both very well and personally, endorsed Trump it meant a lot to me. When Cruz’s minions here went into full on attack mode against Sarah Palin and her family it offended me deeply.
I have been personally involved in a lot of political races over the years; I have even made signs and knocked on doors. I have known a lot of politicians and have seen a lot of dirty tricks. I have researched this race thoroughly and my man is now Donald Trump. I respect that you don’t agree with that decision, but I believe in both my heart and mind that Trump will give this dying Republic its best chance.
I currently have eight grandchildren with more on the way. I want them to have as good a chance of prospering than I have had. I worry a lot more about their future than whether or not you will judge me as being less conservative than you. The results tonight from the daily survey show that people here support Trump over Cruz by more than 2 to 1. I believe that most here have thought long and hard about this decision and that they are still true conservatives.
I believe him. I also think he was paying his sister a compliment. Is that so strange?
Some of the greatest Christian warriors are those who converted late in life. Don’t pretend that Trump hasn’t been saying conservative things for years and years. He has. Watch his rallies. Listen to what he says now. If you want to vote for Cruz, fine. I don’t have to hate Cruz and I don’t. I just think that Cruz and the rest are a lesser brand of the same pale beer we’ve had. I want someone to go to Washington, kick A$$, and take names. Someone who is so egotistical that he will want to be the greatest president that ever lived. If I’m wrong I’m wrong. I believe him. I hope I’m right.
This election is 100% about the border and America first... Above all else! Nail that down first, THEN we can discuss what happened inside the country.
Without that, everything else is meaningless.
That means if you speak Spanish, thanks for playing but no thanks. If you have a track record as a globalist tool, no thanks. Deal with it.
No, you don’t. You are holding citizen Trump to the standard of politicians. He has never been elected, and therefore, you are judgmental rather than fair. If your high standards include voting for someone who is a liar, a cheat and fraud, and someone who is selling out this country, then I question your high standards.
You and Muhammed both share the fact that you falsely claim to speak for God.
Fair enough....your opinion....are you saying Trump owns brothels?
(Does geron L still post here)
You’re aping how he was about sexual stuff
But I’ll bite more
What about families that own distilleries or breweries or the distributorships?
Trump has lotsa branding in that area
Same sort of rejection by Christ and you by extension....I realize it’s a strawman but I’m trying to ascertain how far reaching this is?
It’s first condemnation I’ve seen here for that
Manufacturers of condoms?
Franklin Graham and Mike Huckabee and the Dallas southern Baptist preacher have all sullied themselves with Trump
Are they wrong?
He seems to have raised his kids decent enough...
And they’ve yet to find employees who hate him....that shoulda been easy
It was with less lascivious Romney
I’m not gonna argue with you but I did wish to know your denominational perspective
My own church....LARGE SBC.....Franklin TN ....is almost exclusively trump and Cruz about evenly on bumper stickers
Change is not always beneficial. Just look at the Dinosaurs.
There is a monumental shift in politics going on right now and Donald Trump is in the breach. Watch listen and learn, this type of revolt doesn’t come every generation.
Only express positive things about your candidate rather than negative things about the other. Let the candidates do what they want.
To some of us Trump is the hero and Cruz is the viable option.
Trump wants to charge the breach.
Cruz wants to continue to lay siege.
The rest just want to mill about smartly.
Give me a break. You haven’t a clue
Christ said “Go and sin no more”.
He did not say “Go and keep running your casino and selling flesh for men to get horny over”
Don’t take it up with me, take it up with God.
“””””Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.””””” Galatians 5:19-21
FR has jumped the shark, but not because of Trump.
Ted Cruz is a consistent Conservative. All the other conservatives had donors and they were still conservatives. Donald Trump has no big donors so he can’t be conservative. Conservative is very important if you want to keep things the same as they are.
Not just because of this latest upcoming looks-like-it-could-be-trainwreck we won't enjoy riding through...
I am not that crazy about it, but I knew it would gab the attention of people
Usually male real estate moguls do not spend time in PP business. I have yet to read Trump is in that business... But some in Congress sure are well connected to the business.
This kind of concern trolling is disingenuous in my opinion. It’s not about us supporting a leftist. If we thought he was a leftist we wouldn’t be supporting him. We have just drawn different conclusions than you about Trump’s leanings based on the evidence. Because Trump made a statement supporting this or that liberal position 10 years ago is not proof that he’s a liberal. It’s just one piece of evidence among many as to where he stands.
I acknowledge that Trump’s past, like most people’s is a mixed bag which doesn’t give a clear yes or no answer about his political leaning at first glance. But to speak about Trump being a leftist as established fact is dishonest. You’ve come to your conclusions based on the evidence and your judgment. We’ve come to ours, and our conclusions are not based on willful blindness, hero worship, or ignoring of the facts as you claim. We would take you more seriously if you acknowledged that our arguments that Trump is not a leftist, are reasonable even if you don’t agree with them.
There are reasonable arguments that could be made, that Trump is a leftist but in our opinion, once you examine things more closely, the contrary opinion, that Trump is a center right candidate who is motivated by patriotism and the desire to do right, is more reasonable and compelling. You’d do better to acknowledge that our position has a rational basis and at least acknowledge that, even if you ultimately disagree with our conclusions.
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