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Can Cruz legally be president? Ivy League scholars debate
Virgina Pilot online ^ | 2/5/16 | COLLIN BINKLEY

Posted on 02/06/2016 1:47:14 AM PST by RC one

Edited on 02/06/2016 5:34:58 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

BOSTON (AP) — Two legal scholars squared off in a public debate on Friday to settle whether Republican Ted Cruz is eligible to become president. Spoiler alert: They didn't settle it.

But the debate at Harvard Law School underscored that conflicting interpretations of the U.S. Constitution can produce different answers. The question has been in the national spotlight since Republican rival Donald Trump suggested that Cruz, who was born in Canada to an American mother, isn't legally qualified to be president.


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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: 2016electionbias; academicbias; birtherism; birthers; blamecanada; canadian; cruz; doublestandard; naturalborncitizen; naughtyteacherslist; obamawasntvetted; repositorycruz
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To: Fai Mao
If Ted Cruz is not eligible the good news is that Rubio is a sure bet to not be

You sure about that?

21 posted on 02/06/2016 2:24:26 AM PST by RC one ("...all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens" US v. WKA)
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To: Fai Mao

So ask yourself Why are so many candidates who are not eligible running on the REPUBLICAN ticket? I think we are watching a kabuki with well written script and cast of characters.


22 posted on 02/06/2016 2:25:06 AM PST by hoosiermama (Make America Great Again by uniting Great Americans!)
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To: RC one
Tribe took a few jabs at his former student, but added that Cruz "was a fun student to have; I enjoyed jousting with him."

Puts the lie to that whole "no one likes Ted Cruz" line.

23 posted on 02/06/2016 2:26:31 AM PST by JediJones (Marco Rubio: When the Establishment Says Jump, He Asks How High?)
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To: RC one

I have always had to get used to the stupid. I read Dem sites, too.


24 posted on 02/06/2016 2:26:41 AM PST by OhioBuckeye (not voting for Trump...not now...not EVER -- Cruz 2016!)
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To: RC one

I’d like to know why everyone is concerned about Cruz and not Rubio.


25 posted on 02/06/2016 2:27:20 AM PST by chopperman
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To: Windflier

The Constitution doesn’t have the words “soil” or “two citizen parents” in it. If you’re adding in things based on future laws, which you must be, short of an outright misinterpretation, then we know our laws made Cruz a citizen at birth. So he’s natural-born.


26 posted on 02/06/2016 2:27:51 AM PST by JediJones (Marco Rubio: When the Establishment Says Jump, He Asks How High?)
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To: Windflier
Natural Born Citizen = born on the soil of the country to two citizen parents.

Not necessarily so.

That definition is sufficient but it is not exclusive. IOW, someone who fits those qualifications is clearly a NBC, but so might others be who do NOT meet that definition. If your definition were to be accepted the following past Presidential candidates (and there may be more) would have been ineligible to take office:

George Romney

Barry Goldwater

John McCain

Barack Obama

And among the current crop, both Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz would be ineligible.

And, if the phony 'dual citizenship' standard were adopted, so would Donald Trump, since he is eligible for British citizenship merely asserting his right to it.

27 posted on 02/06/2016 2:28:26 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Windflier

Natural Born Citizen = born on the soil of the country to two citizen parents.
Ted Cruz fails both requirements.
So did Obama, but who cares about that musty old parchment any more?
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Shouldn’t this be the issue regarding RUBIO? Neither of his parents were US citizens, so he’s just a Cuban anchor baby!


28 posted on 02/06/2016 2:28:27 AM PST by octex
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To: RC one

Funny. If there is nothing to this, why does it bother the Cruz zombies so much they feel the need to keep posting inane comments to the thread?


29 posted on 02/06/2016 2:28:58 AM PST by r_barton (We the People of the United States...)
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To: grania

No one changed the Constitution. It said Cruz had to be natural-born and he was.

By your logic, free speech wouldn’t apply to TV and radio, since they didn’t exist at the time of the Constitution. No reasonable interpretation of the Constitution could say the 1st amendment applied to forms of speech which the framers never knew would ever exist.


30 posted on 02/06/2016 2:29:13 AM PST by JediJones (Marco Rubio: When the Establishment Says Jump, He Asks How High?)
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To: hoosiermama

Have you been following the ballot challenge in Illinois.
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I believe I read something on FR a couple of days ago that stated that Illinois had declared Cruz eligible.


31 posted on 02/06/2016 2:33:05 AM PST by octex
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To: RC one

Not only has the simple definition I posted been the standard in America since its founding, it’s the purest form of citizenship that exists.

It astounds me that anyone who loves America and the Constitution, would argue that the Framers intended the requirements for the office of the president to be of an inferior quality than that.


32 posted on 02/06/2016 2:33:13 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: octex

Yes, Rubio may be a citizen, but no way is he a natural born citizen, due to the fact that neither of his parents were American citizens upon the occasion of his birth.


33 posted on 02/06/2016 2:37:18 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: John Valentine

Of the names you mentioned, only George Romney and Obama fail the test. All the others were born on U.S. soil or territories of the U.S. to two American citizen parents.


34 posted on 02/06/2016 2:41:53 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: RC one

So my BIL, who was born overseas because his father was a businessman, whose parents’ American heritage date back to Powhatan on his mother’s side and 1832 on his father’s side, whose older and younger brother both born in the US could be President, is not eligible to President?

And people want to make this stick just because their guy is not Ted Cruz?


35 posted on 02/06/2016 2:43:24 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: grania
The argument for Cruz stated that laws since the Constitution have changed what is written in the Constitution. Silly me. I thought only amendments could change the Constitution.
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Of course you are correct, but in this country today anarchy reins. To hell with the Constitution. Just another legacy of Obozo. Now, if Obozo got away with it up to this point, others claim they can do likewise. Our Constitution is dead. Our Country is dead.
36 posted on 02/06/2016 2:44:02 AM PST by iontheball
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To: hoosiermama
At least one of the objectors in the IL election cases has said he will not pursue an appeal in the courts. Too expensive.

Joyce told the Huffington Post Tuesday that he does not plan to appeal the board's decision.

Ruling: Ted Cruz is a 'natural born citizen' | Washington Examiner | 2/2/16 10:58 PM

Reached by phone on Tuesday, Joyce -- who is listed as an attorney in Illinois but doesn't actively practice law -- told The Huffington Post he's not planning an appeal of the board's determination due to lack of resources. He said, however, that he hopes "somebody else takes up the cause" against Cruz.

Ted Cruz Is A 'Natural Born Citizen,' Board Of Election Finds | Huffington Post | 02/02/2016 06:37 pm

Summary of Cruz argument in Illinois ballot access case

37 posted on 02/06/2016 2:45:22 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: JediJones
-- ... our laws made Cruz a citizen at birth. So he's natural-born. --

Congress is empowered by the Constitution to 'establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,' Art. I, S: 8. Anyone acquiring citizenship solely under the exercise of this power is, constitutionally speaking, a naturalized citizen.

Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815 (1971)

38 posted on 02/06/2016 2:48:05 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: chopperman

It’s because they don’t understand why we fought a war for independence from England.


39 posted on 02/06/2016 2:49:13 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: JediJones

The Framers didn’t define a single word or phrase in the Constitution, but that doesn’t mean we can’t discover what their original intent was.

We need only consult their letters and reference works of the day. Doing so reveals what the common understanding of the terms were at that time.


40 posted on 02/06/2016 2:50:03 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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