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To: Windflier
Natural Born Citizen = born on the soil of the country to two citizen parents.

Not necessarily so.

That definition is sufficient but it is not exclusive. IOW, someone who fits those qualifications is clearly a NBC, but so might others be who do NOT meet that definition. If your definition were to be accepted the following past Presidential candidates (and there may be more) would have been ineligible to take office:

George Romney

Barry Goldwater

John McCain

Barack Obama

And among the current crop, both Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz would be ineligible.

And, if the phony 'dual citizenship' standard were adopted, so would Donald Trump, since he is eligible for British citizenship merely asserting his right to it.

27 posted on 02/06/2016 2:28:26 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

Of the names you mentioned, only George Romney and Obama fail the test. All the others were born on U.S. soil or territories of the U.S. to two American citizen parents.


34 posted on 02/06/2016 2:41:53 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: John Valentine
-- And, if the phony 'dual citizenship' standard were adopted, so would Donald Trump, since he is eligible for British citizenship merely asserting his right to it. --

Your claim is that Trump is simulataneously NOT a dual citizen, and IS a dual citizen.

At least you appear to have abandoned your previous contnetion, that Trump IS a dual citizen.

41 posted on 02/06/2016 2:50:31 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: John Valentine

‘And, if the phony ‘dual citizenship’ standard were adopted, so would Donald Trump, since he is eligible for British citizenship merely asserting his right to it..’
Trump is not eligible for British citizenship because his mother was a naturalized USA citizen in 1942, 4 years before Trump’s birth. Born in USA to 2 USA citizen parentS, Trump is a nbc constitutionally eligible to the president. (NOTE - parents don’t have to be born in USA - Cruz intentionally said this to confuse the issue!)
As to Romney, Goldwater, McCain and obama, they were all challenged on their constitutional eligibility due to their dual citizenship !


59 posted on 02/06/2016 3:34:55 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: John Valentine

“Natural Born Citizen = born on the soil of the country to two citizen parents.”

“Not necessarily so.”

“That definition is sufficient but it is not exclusive. IOW, someone who fits those qualifications is clearly a NBC, but so might others be who do NOT meet that definition. If your definition were to be accepted the following past Presidential candidates (and there may be more) would have been ineligible to take office:”

“George Romney”

George Romney was ineligible, due to his being born abroad without U.S. citizenship or with naturalized U.S. citizenship.

“Barry Goldwater”

Wrong. Barry Goldwater was eligible, because he was a natural born citizen of the U.S. Barry Goldwater was born in the Territory of Arizona with two U.S. citizen parents. The Territory of Arizona was determined by the Supreme Court of the United States in the Slaughterhouse Cases and other cases to be a United States Incorporated Territory along with the District of Columbia and other territories forming the Organic territories of the United States under the jurisdiction of the United States.

“John McCain”

John McCain is ineligible, because he is a naturalized citizen of the U.S. He was born abroad in a hospital in Colon, Panama, which was outside the Panama Canal Zone and outside the jurisdiction of the United States. Due to his birth abroad, it makes no difference whether he was born in Panama, the Panama Canal Zone, in Japan, or anywhere else abroad, his only means of acquiring U.S. citizenship was by naturalization.

“Barack Obama”

Barack Hussein Obama is ineligible. If he was born abroad in Kenya, Canada, or elsewhere; he could not acquire U.S. citizenship at all, because his mother was too young to qualify under the applicable U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952. Even if Obama’s mother had been an adult mother, rather than a minor, Obama would still have been ineligible due to his acquisition of U.S. citizenship by naturalization by the authority of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952. If Obama really was born in Hawaii as the forged birth certificate claims, Obama would still be ineligible due to his father being an alien citizen; because a child with an alien father acquires U.S. citizenship by the authority of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952. Naturalized citizens are not eligible to be President.

“And among the current crop, both Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz would be ineligible.”

Yes, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz are ineligible.

“And, if the phony ‘dual citizenship’ standard were adopted, so would Donald Trump, since he is eligible for British citizenship merely asserting his right to it.”

No, that is a false statement. Donald C. Trump is eligible, because he is a natural born citizen of the United States. He was born in the jurisdiction of the United States with two U.S. citizen parents. His mother renounced her British citizenship when she naturalized as a U.S. citizen. Donald C. Trump was not naturalized as a British citizen.


87 posted on 02/06/2016 4:27:29 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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