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[Godebert]

Bingo!

[all the best]

Both are products that one has a right to produce and/or purchase.

[Bigg Red]

Buzzword of the year!
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Hardly. Even this old lady has known that one for about 5 years, at least.

[PubliusMM]

Because the reverse has NEVER worked, ANY TIME in history.

[equaviator]

All of the sudden (within the past couple of months), I see that word being used here on FR more and more. Apparently, it’s been popularized but for what reason, I have no idea!

[mikeus_maximus]

Sure- the ingenious founders of our country knew the government itself could not fully protect us, and public healthcare would not protect us from the more immediate threat of government dependency and oppression.

[Repulican Donkey]

Health care IS a right....health insurance isn’t.

[Montana_Sam]

As a Catholic, the Gospel teaches us that health-care is part of the body of works of charity, even when it is done for hire (the worker is worthy of his hire). And defense of one's own life and the lives of those entrusted to him by God is always and everywhere a good thing.

Not all Catholics, especially in the hierarchy, agree with this assessment.

[Bigg Red]

It’s an Internet thing.

I hope this helps:

https://www.wordnik.com/words/meme

[equaviator]

Thanks but I’m already familiar with this word, “meme”. Now, however, I’m more familiar with it than ever!

[Real Cynic No More]

The constitution allows individual rights, it does not prohibit them. The preamble states: promote the general welfare. It does not say provide the individual with welfare. It also does not say provide the individual defense, it says provide for common defense. It does not restrict individuals from doing things for themselves. The 2nd and other amendments place restrictions on government to prevent it from interfering with certain individual rights.

Obamacare places restrictions on what individuals are allowed to do gor themselves by limiting healthcare options by controlling the types of treatments that doctors can be paid for.

[RobinOfKingston]

People who can’t defend themselves are akin to de-clawed cats. From that moment on they are kept animals, confined to the ‘safe space’ designated by their ‘owner.’

[GingisK]

Healthcare won’t stop the march of tyranny.

[Diamond]

I would suggest that rule number one is, NEVER except a leftist premise. There a number of implicit falsehoods in the statement. Some have already been mentioned here but I would like to add a couple of observations.

People who say things such as "There's something wrong with a country that thinks that healthcare is a privilege but owning a gun is a right" are also people who believe there ought to be no such thing as private property.

I would also point out that the statement presupposes a morality. It is a twisted, contorted and imaginary morality for which leftists and progressives have no foundation, but that doesn't seem to stop them from wanting to impose it on everyone else. What foundation or basis do leftists have that authorizes them to categorize ANYTHING as "wrong". They certainly don't believe in natural rights as the Founders did. I would want to know how they account for this morality that they want to impose on everyone (except themselves) by government force.

Cordially,

[fulltlt]

Thanks so much for all of your thoughtful replies. FR is the best.

[JoeFromSidney]

It's hard to answer a bumper sticker slogan like this, because a good answer will span more than a bumper sticker.

However, what this guy is doing is being slippery with words. He wants to imply that health care should be a "right," just like owning a gun.

What he's done is use the same word, "right," in two different senses. The "right" to own a gun means I can legally walk into a gun store and buy one, with my own money.

What he wants is the "right" to walk into a doctor's office or a hospital and get health care using someone else's money.

If having to pay for health care myself makes it a "privilege," than paying for a gun myself is likewise a "privilege." If a "right" to health care means getting it at someone else's expense, then the "right" to own a gun means getting it at someone else's expense. The government ought to issue me a gun.

Always watch for this kind of weasel-wording when you run into the bumper sticker mentality.

I say there's something wrong with a country whose educational system doesn't educate people out of "bumper sticker thinking."

[GreenAccord]

So after all these responses, I am interested how your liberal “friend” reacted to your planned retort. I am of the mind, as has been pointed out in this (and many other HOW TO ARGUE WITH A LIBERAL threads on FR) that it mattered not.

So how did it go down?

[fulltlt]

So I got into a discussion with one of these liberal guys (former HS classmate). We went back and forth on owning and carrying guns. He mentioned a particular road rage incident that happened near him a few days prior. So I looked it up and found the names of the people that the cops were looking for. I asked my contender if he would cower in place if those perps (and I mentioned them by name) broke into his house. He went absolutely bazerk at that point so I left him to stew about it at that point.

And you’re right it hasn’t changed his mind at all. He’s still as anti-gun as he was before. He’s still posting these anti-gun memes.