Posted on 10/28/2015 4:03:10 AM PDT by mabarker1
The technology could have communications and military advantages for China.
China just flew a 250-foot airship to near the top of the Earth's atmosphere. The solar-powered behemoth can stay airborne for half a year and requires no fuel to get it more than 12 miles into the air—just fill it with helium and let it go; the sun powers it once it reaches its cruising altitude.
Airships predate airplanes, but have been largely supplanted by them. However, they remain superior for pretty much anything that doesn’t require the speed of a jet engine. They can hang around for months, they can carry large payloads, and they can fly way higher than most planes, because an airplane’s wing runs out of air to support it at such high altitudes.
This last property might be the reason China is testing the Yuanmeng airship. During its estimated two-day trial, the airship launched from Xilinhot, Inner Mongolia, bristling with communications gear—"data relays, high-definition observation and spatial imaging" equipment—says the Chinese People’s Daily. The sedentary nature of the airship allows it to sit up at the edge of space and watch. It can surveil the ground, and it can also act as a base station to command fleets of military planes. In a pinch, the Yuanmeng airship could act as a stand-in for communications satellites.
Popular Science speculates on China's plans for the technology:
Operating higher in near space means that the Yuanmeng would have constant line of sight over a hundred thousand square miles—an important requirement for radar and imaging. Increased sensor coverage means increased warning time against stealthy threats such as cruise missiles, giving Chinese forces a greater opportunity to detect and shoot down such threats. It would also be harder for fighters and surface-to-air missiles to attack near space objects.
They’re not perfect though. The People’s Daily spoke to Yu Quan of the Chinese Academy of Engineering, who told them that "The biggest challenge for the near-space airship is the big temperature difference in the day and night." Because the airship is so close to space, it experiences space-like extremes of weather as it is baked by the sun and then frozen by the night.
Airships can solve many problems. In much the same way that regular oceangoing ships carry huge loads of goods from continent to continent, airships are also good for transporting goods. Even smaller airships can carry loads of 50 tons. And perhaps they could even replace passenger airplanes as providers of low-cost air travel. They might not be as fast, but they could be a lot more comfortable.
From wikipedia...
“Near space is the region of Earth’s atmosphere that lies between 20 to 100 km [12 to 60 miles] above sea level, encompassing the stratosphere, mesosphere, and the lower thermosphere. It extends roughly from the Armstrong limit above which humans need a pressure suit to survive, up to the Kármán line where astrodynamics must take over from aerodynamics in order to achieve flight. Thus, near space is above where commercial airliners fly but below orbiting satellites.
The terms “near space” and “upper atmosphere” are generally considered synonymous. However, some sources distinguish between the two. Where such a distinction is made, only the layers closest to the Karman line are called near space, while only the remaining layers between the lower atmosphere and near space are called the upper atmosphere.
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Uses of Near Space:
The area is of interest for military surveillance purposes, scientific study, as well as to commercial interests for communications, and tourism. Craft that fly in near space include high altitude balloons, non-rigid airships, rockoons, sounding rockets, and the Lockheed_U-2 aircraft. The region has been of interest to space travel. Early attempts used a craft known as a rockoon to reach extreme altitudes and orbit. These are still used today for sounding rockets.
There has been a resurgence of interest in near space to launch manned spacecraft by man. Groups like ARCASPACE, as well as the da Vinci Project are planning on launching manned suborbital space vehicles from high altitude balloons.
JP Aerospace has a proposal for a spaceport in near space, as part of their Airship to Orbit program.
>>Not gonna happen. At least in our lifetime. And I have a lot of lifetime left.
Muslims flying airliners into buildings once seemed like the plot of a bad novel too. So did an America-hating communist in the White House and a crazy drunk failed Secretary of State lining up to be the next president.
I suspected we had that capability.
Thank you for confirming details.
China will be lucky if they don’t collapse under the weight of their own military spending.
They aren't even interested. But the country who is (Mexico) has so far met no resistance.
I was thinking the same.
IIRC, we are running out of helium, and that’s got scientists real worried because helium is used in a lot of exotic physics science research, ie: semi-conductor.
RE: “America is the worlds only supplier of Helium. Did the Clinton foundation team arrange a sale to the Chicoms?”
When was the last time China had expansionist eyes on the world? Genghis Khan?
What would they need from invading the US?
The US will collapse on its own military spending long before China stops being a country. We are just about there.
We have China to fear economically. But they are not going to take over California. Unless they buy it.
Uplifting article on helium (couldn’t help that ;n)
We may not be running out of the gas.
Extraction costs may be higher, in the future.
http://www.gizmag.com/helium-source-natural-gas-fields/39038/
I live near the Aberdeen Proving Ground in Maryland. They are doing a multi-year test of two tethered Aerostats that are almost 250 ft. long. Apparently they are an early warning system for missile launches inbound.
The system is outrageously expensive and dependent on the weather.
They fly at a constant 10,000 ft. My son goes to school about 50 miles away and he can see them from a local Walmart parking lot.
There's no stealth about this thing. It would have some excellent uses as a commercial vehicle.
250 feet is tiny for an airship. It’s roughly the size of the semi-rigids with which Goodyear is replacing their blimp fleet. It holds up to 14 people and a total usable lift of about 2 tons.
The design of the Chinese craft isn’t clear. The illustration that accompanies this article shows a single large propeller in the tail, which suggests a rigid, or perhaps a semirigid. A Chinese source shows 4 side mounted propellers, which would seem to be a much more sensible design, but again suggests a semi-rigid or rigid design.
As someone else noted, gas expansion would be a major issue (as would ballasting).
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2005/09/war-games-russia-china-grow-alliance
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170287,00.html
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Sept 11, 2014
China and Russia to build major seaport: report
China and Russia will build one of the largest ports in north-east Asia on Russia’s Sea of Japan coast, reports say, in a further sign of the powerhouses’ growing alliance.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-11/china-and-russia-to-build-major-seaport-report/5738036
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Obama: "We Welcome China's Rise"
CBS News ^ | January 19, 2011 | Stephanie Condon
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And...where in there does it say they desire an expansion of territory?
Why can’t China and Russia decide that its time to use their global economic influence to affect how things go on in their sphere?
Why cant China build a new port? They are allowed to have a Navy, right? We have one. I don’t see them shooting off cruise missiles at anyone. Do you?
Joint military issues. Who would you think they would have joint military exercises with? India? Vietnam? The US?
You state a lot of things that show China is becoming a player on the world stage.
But, tell me...when was the last time China threatened another nation with invasion? Vietnam and India border clashes? Maybe Tibet or Mongolia?
BY:
October 13, 2014
China’s decades-long buildup of strategic and conventional military forces is shifting the balance of power in Asia in Beijing’s favor and increasing the risk of a conflict, according to a forthcoming report by a congressional China commission.
China’s military has greatly expanded its air and naval forces and is sharply increasing its missile forces, even while adopting a more hostile posture against the United States and regional allies in Asia, states a late draft of the annual report of the bipartisan U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission.
As a result, “the potential for security miscalculation in the region is rising,” the report said, using the euphemism for a conflict or shootout between Chinese forces and U.S. forces or those of its regional allies.
The report paints an alarming picture of China’s growing aggressiveness and expanding power, including development of two new stealth jets, the first deployment of a naval expeditionary amphibious group to the Indian Ocean, and aerial bombing exercises held in Kazakhstan.
China’s communist government also views the United States as its main adversary—despite strong trade and financial links between the two countries, the report says.
The commission report—to be released in final form in November—concludes that the war-footing-like buildup by the People’s Liberation Army is increasing the risk that a conflict will break out between the United States and China.
A copy of the draft report was obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.
“China’s rapid military modernization is altering the military balance of power in the Asia Pacific in ways that could engender destabilizing security competition between other major nearby countries, such as Japan and India, and exacerbate regional hotspots such as Taiwan, the Korean Peninsula, the East China Sea, and the South China Sea,” the report concludes in a section on military developments
With declining U.S. defense spending and cuts in forces, the balance of power in Asia “is shifting in China’s favor,” the report says.
The report warns that China’s communist leaders are fueling nationalist tensions amid concerns about declining economic growth and increasing social unrest. “Promoting a sense of grievance among the Chinese people and creating diversionary tensions in the region would carry real risks of escalation and create the potential for the United States to be drawn into a regional conflict,” the report says.
The high-technology weapons and other capabilities China is fielding also pose a growing threat to America’s ability to deter regional conflicts, defend allies and maintain open and secure air and sea-lanes.
As China builds up its naval power, the U.S. Navy is declining, and the current American ability to defeat China in a conflict will be difficult to maintain, the report says.
By 2020, China is expected to have 342 submarines and missile-firing warships deployed, many of them equipped with advanced weapons. By comparison, the total U.S. naval forces will be 243 ships and submarines in 2020.
Recent Chinese provocations in sea and aerial encounters also are a signs the two nations could become embroiled in a conflict.
“China already has initiated dangerous encounters at sea on several occasions,” the report said, noting the near-aerial collision between a Chinese interceptor jet and a Navy P-8 reconnaissance aircraft.
Rick Fisher, a China military affairs analyst, said the congressional report augments a sometimes-deficient Pentagon annual assessment of the Chinese military.
“The China Commission is hitting its stride concerning China’s growing military challenge, offering the Congress an expansive and multi-dimensional assessment of that challenge not offered by the Pentagon’s annual China Military Power reports,” said Fisher, with the International Assessment and Strategy Center.
Fisher credits the commission for highlighting the shift in the balance of power that he said is linked to China’s growth in air and space power.
“The regional balance of power shift in China’s favor is based on well documented analysis and should be required reading for anyone concerned with China’s growing ability to threaten U.S. interests in Asia,” he said.
The report also confirms that China twice this year tested a new, ultra-high speed strategic strike vehicle called the Wu-14. When deployed, the Wu-14 will give the Chinese military the capability of attacking any target on earth in as little as “minutes to hours,” the report says.
The hypersonic vehicle tests were first disclosed by the Free Beacon in January and August.
A super fast strike vehicle that glides to its targets of speeds of up to nearly 8,000 miles per hour could be deployed by 2020 and a similar high-speed scramjet powered hypersonic attack vehicle could be fielded before 2025, the report says.
“Hypersonic glide vehicles could render existing U.S. missile defense systems less effective and potentially obsolete,” the report says.
On China’s strategic nuclear buildup, the report identifies China’s large-scale buildup of both conventional and nuclear-armed missiles as a serious threat.
China’s has as many as 1,895 ballistic and cruise missiles, including up to 1,200 short-range missiles, up to 100 medium-range missiles, up to 20 intermediate-range missiles, up to 75 intercontinental missiles, and up to 500 ground-launched land attack cruise missiles.
The Pentagon after 2010 halted releasing annual assessments of Chinese missile forces that one expert said undercuts the Obama administration’s policy of seeking a more open Chinese military by “indirectly assisting Chinese secrecy.”
For short-range missiles, China currently is developing five new systems with ranges between 94 and 174 miles. The new missiles will have greater accuracy and lethality.
For targeting U.S. forces in Japan and South Korea, China has deployed DF-21C theater-range missiles with ranges of about 1,240 miles and appears to have developed a second system, the DF-16.
Its new intermediate-range missile, to be deployed in the next five years, will be able to hit U.S. forces on Guam, Northern Australia, Alaska, and U.S. forces in the Middle East and Indian Ocean.
A variant of the DF-21D is a unique anti-ship ballistic missile that has been deployed in two brigades in southeastern and northeast China.
China’s nuclear strike forces remain couched in secrecy, the report said. “China’s official statements about its nuclear forces and nuclear capabilities are rare and vague in order to maintain ‘strategic ambiguity,’” the report says.
The commission report faults the Pentagon for ending its practice of providing details of China’s nuclear arsenal in annual reports to Congress, saying the omission is contributing to Chinese military secrecy.
The Pentagon has not released an assessment of Chinese nuclear forces since 2006 when it said China had more than 100 warheads. Current estimates by non-government analysts place the number of Chinese nuclear warheads as from 250 to as many as 3,000.
“Despite the uncertainty surrounding China’s stockpiles of nuclear missiles and nuclear warheads, it is clear that China’s nuclear forces over the next three to five years will expand considerably and become more lethal and survivable with the fielding of additional road-mobile nuclear missiles; the integration of as many as five [Jin-class missile submarines], each of which can carry 12 JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missiles; and the introduction of intercontinental ballistic missiles armed with multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles,” the report says.
China also is modernizing its silo-based nuclear missiles, along with hardening storage facilities, launch sites, and transportation networks.
The network of some 3,000 miles of underground nuclear facilities is also being expanded, the report states.
China currently has deployed five road-mobile long-range missiles, and one submarine-launched ballistic missile, the JL-2, with a new JL-3 missile planned for 2020.
The newest system is the DF-41 ICBM that is expected to be deployed as early as next year with up to 10 multiple nuclear warheads. The DF-41’s range of about 7,456 miles is sufficient “to target the entire continental United States,” the report states.
The Free Beacon first disclosed Oct. 2 that China flight-tested a sixth road-mobile ICMB, the DF-31B. The test appeared to take place after the cutoff date of June for most information in the commission report.
The report also includes the graphic published in China’s state-run Global Times in November revealing that a Chinese submarine-launched ballistic missile attack on the United States could kill 5 million to 12 million people.
China’s space warfare programs also are expanding significantly, according to the report.
“The PLA is pursuing a broad counterspace program to challenge U.S. information superiority in a conflict and disrupt or destroy U.S. satellites if necessary,” the report said.
Recent missile tests indicate Chinese anti-satellite weapons can destroy both low-altitude and high-altitude satellites, including strategic Global Positioning System satellites and communications and intelligence orbiters.
“China likely will be able to hold at risk U.S. national security satellites in every orbital regime in the next five to ten years,” the report says.
The report also revealed China last year conducted a space test of three small, maneuvering satellites, one of which is capable of grabbing and destroying orbiting satellites.
To counter the Chinese military buildup, the commission recommends that Congress increase funding for naval deployments in Asia; continue three-a-year production of Virginia-class submarines; develop an unmanned Navy carrier strike aircraft; fund a new long-range anti-ship missile; and build ship-based directed energy arms.
The commission also wants Congress to direct the Pentagon to provide more details on China’s conventional and nuclear missiles and warheads.
On China’s cyber espionage activities, the report said China’s government has been engaged in “large-scale” cyber attacks against U.S. networks, including defense and private company systems.
Among the data stolen by Chinese hackers were details of U.S. weapons systems including Patriot anti-missile defenses, the F-35 and F-18 jets, P-8 reconnaissance aircraft, Global Hawk drones, Black Hawk helicopters, Aegis ballistic missile defenses, and the Littoral Combat ship.
The Chinese military also obtained secrets on defense technologies, including know-how related to directed energy weapons, drone video systems, technical data links, satellite communications, electronic warfare systems, and electromagnetic aircraft launch systems.
“In addition to stealing the designs of these weapon systems and technologies, China’s cyber actors targeted internal communications, program schedules, meeting minutes, and human resource records, among other documents,” the report said.
The Obama administration policy of not responding forcefully to Chinese cyber attacks is not working, the report says, despite the federal indictment in May of five Chinese military hackers.
“China’s material incentives for continuing this activity are immense and unlikely to be altered by small-scale U.S. actions,” the report says.
Other key findings of the report include:
The report includes sections on China’s domestic stability, security, foreign affairs, North Korea, economy, trade, energy, and health care. It is produced annually by the commission, currently headed by Chairman Dennis Shea, a lawyer and former government official, and Vice Chairman William Reinsch, a former Clinton administration Commerce official.
The commission’s final report is expected to have only minor changes from the draft, a commission official said.
Of course it would be Russia, who is also a rapidly increasing threat to the US and its NATO allies. Are you also a big fan of KGB/FSB Putin?
Please, please, please, read some history and take a gander at the other side of this issue.
Propaganda is a two way street.
We should have a strong defense.
Tell me, specifically, what territories does China want and how does that affect the US?
(I will give you a hint: Its not under dry land. And it affects us because we don’t control it. And we wont make a profit off from it.)
By Rebeccah L. Heinrichs
October 24, 2014
While the U.S. reacts to the scourges of Ebola and ISIS, China continues to patiently and steadily exploit weaknesses in U.S. military capabilities. The bipartisan U.S. China Commission is poised to release its annual report to Congress that details some of the specifics.
The big lesson to learn from it is that the U.S. can not only react to world events, it must also look forward and prepare to deter and defend against distant and not-so-distant threats. For as hard as it is to beat back ISIS, a terror organization with a lot of motivation but without serious military might, imagine the fix in which the U.S. will find itself with a China whose national objectives conflict with the U.S., and with the military capabilities to see them out. ...”
You and your stinkin’ facts ruin another perfectly good Chicken Little thread.
Re: “12 miles up is not the edge of space, which is about 60 miles up.”
“Near space is the region of Earth’s atmosphere that lies between 20 to 100 km [12 to 60 miles] above sea level, encompassing the stratosphere, mesosphere, and the lower thermosphere.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_space
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