Posted on 01/14/2015 4:38:09 PM PST by EveningStar
This May will mark ten-years since Star Trek: Enterprise on UPN went off the air. With the 50th anniversary of the franchise right around the corner and fans clamoring for Treks return to television, The CWs president Mark Pedowitz has revealed that hes interested in a new Star Trek series for the network.
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Yup, the fourth season of Enterprise was good, and a significant improvement in the first three (which had potential that was never lived up to)
But by then it was too late to regain audience share.
That fourth season was, I think, the inaugural season for the Washington Nationals. DC20, which had the rights to broadcast the games, kept shuffling the new eps of Enterprise off to the post-late night hours. I think I missed more than 3/4ths of the eps on first run because of that. When I was able to pick them up again I was well past the point of understanding how the individual eps fit into the overall show. The mirror universe eps with the Defiant, for instance. They were good, yes, but I had a hard time figuring out how they’d gotten there from a story arc perspective.
JJ Trek has one massive advantage over almost all the Trek that came after TOS: it’s a lot of fun. They’re certainly not the smarter 4 hours of Trek, nor the most in depth in story or characterization. But you’re going to be entertained. Which in many ways makes it the most true to TOS, which people forget was often pretty dumb and shallow in between the “landmark” episodes, but was always a blast.
I had to buy the box sets to get all the eps watched in order and i was quite impressed by the several mini-arcs that made up the 4th season!
I liked the mini-arc format, from the arik soong arc, the mirror arc and the vulcan reformation arcs.
A company called Mobius has produced a model of what the “NX Refit” Enterprise would have looked like in the 5th season, as they upgraded from the “pre-Akira” layout to something that looked like an actual precursor of the Constitution Class.
Khans crew were supposed to be the last few Botany Bay survivors, would have been kids or not yet born at the time of Space Seed. All the older crew had died, many killed off by that creature Khan put into Chekov’s ear.
[ Its no coincide that Scott Bakula killed the franchise. What that his only role where he didnt eventually dress up in drag before the show died? ]
Bakula is apparently a very nice guy who is not a “actor who is a jerk”, that being said, the writers didn’t know how to write for the guy or they completely miscast him for the part. Bakula is better at parts with subtle emoting, not a captain who has to be “larger than life” in his role.
Personally they should have picked a completely different actor, heck the guy that played “Trip” would have made a better captain archer.
Gary Graham, (Vulcan Ambassador Soval) would have made a great archer too.
One guy that I recently watched is the captain from the show “The last Ship” he would have made an EXCELLENT archer!
It is a beautiful ship!
Yeah, I like the mini arcs too. Just got completely lost not being able to see them in sequence.
Had Enterprise been placed in a different timeslot it would have survived. But the high production values (as mentioned earlier in this thread) drove smaller margins than with other availabls shows. I’m pretty sure tptb wanted it dead for that reason, and manipulated things (nothing new for Hollywood) to make it so.
Ohhhhh... that makes sense. Thanks!
Indeed it is. Worthy of the name “Enterprise”*. Thanks for posting that!
(* at the time the NX-01 was derided as the “Akiraprise”. But still much better than the “Edselprise” or “JJprise” from the Abrams’ movies.)
The first one was OK. I can deal with the time travel reboot. But the 2nd one was just a huge waste of my time. My feeling was the first one was "OK we need a way to have the new characters act different so we are not locked into TOS Canon so we are going to Time Travel and reboot the timeline."
Yeah it's clumsy and all but it still gives you a whole new way to write the new story line. But then they put that second piece of crap out and it was clear even Benedict Cumberbatch couldn't rescue that script and he is a decent actor and usually a pleasure to watch.
Khan was an ass kicker and a name taker and Ricardo Montalban drenched the screen in masculinity and asskickingedness.
Cumberbatch looked lost the whole time he was on the screen. Might have something to do with being a pasty white British guy.
Well I'd buy that...
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They copied the script nearly word for word.
True, certainly true. I mean if that is you have never watched either movie.
Otherwise the only similarities is there are characters named Khan, Spock, Kirk, Scotty, Chekov, Uhuru, and Sulu.
It’s the same exact back story.
Same exact characters.
Nearly the same dialogue, word for word.
Same scenes, with prettier effects, less cold hatred and simple revenge. It has no depth, not philosophical in the least, has no bearing on popular culture, nor examination of “what if.” They never should have let that hack Abrams TOUCH Star Trek. If DeForest were alive I imagine he would have denounced Abrams as an ounce of crap polished by Hollywood. He always was the heart and soul of the three. Without him Neemoy and Shatner sold out.
Those “Star Trek” movies, while good as popcorn movies will never stand the test of time. They are not Star Trek in the slightest.
Abrams is much more suited for Star Wars, an adventure movie that tries to be deep but fails. Miserably.
OK let's see. Where is Admiral Pike in Wrath of Khan? Same for Fleet Admiral Alexander Marcus?
Where is Captain Terrell, LT. SAAVIK. or Kirk's son David Marcus in "Into Darkness"...
Nearly the same dialogue, word for word.
Opening scene in Wrath of Khan is supposedly on the bridge of a Starship with LT. Saavik talking. A situation develops wherein they are attacked by a Klingon Vessel while trying to rescue a supposedly disabled ship the Kobayashi Maru.
Opening Scene in Into Darkness is on the Planet Nibiru where Bones and Kirk are running away from a primitive tribe while Spock is down inside a Volcano.
Logic tells me if they both use the same dialog it will at the very least be confusing being the same people aren't involved in the conversation AND they are in two totally different settings.
"Same scenes, with prettier effects,"
See above. But if we have the same scenes where is the Genesis Torpedo and where is the scene where they set it off in Into Darkness? Where is the scene in Wrath of Khan that has Admiral Marcus attacking the Enterprise with the Vengence? Where are the scenes where the Admiral's plan to start a war with the Klingons by blaming them for the destruction of the Enterprise is revealed?
So again no its not the same it has some of the same characters but they are in different scenes with different dialog and the Into Darkness script has some scenes that are just plain stupid. Like having Spock inside a live volcano.
The only scenes of memorability are lifted directly from Wrath of Kahn, and changed enough to pass a plagiarism test.
Therefore it stands to reason that my conclusion is correct. People will always(those with any brains) rather watch Wrath of Kahn. Instead of Star Trek: Into Wrath of Kahn (but different: we promise).
You sound like you COULD be Abrams himself. Defend your plagiarism all you want. You get a pass to ruin many beloved stories because you can make your master money.
I would rather watch Wrath of Kahn on the first video cassette then watch into plagiarism on high definition.
I can’t wait until Abrams ruins Star Wars too. But it never had any depth at all to begin with, so I think it’s a safe bet to let that ravenous progressive hack at the canon of arguably the most widely beloved science fiction story of all time. Let him fill your brain with mush all you want. I for one will not be fooled.
That’s not the point. The point is that ToS led to many more landmark episodes of TNG, and DS9. I can think of a few DS9 episodes off the top of my head that show exactly what the world needs right now. The episode In the Pale Moonlight comes to mind. If you have never watched DS9 , it is a somewhat standalone episode narrated by Avery Brooks, who gave one of the best performances ever on tv. Fiction or not, science fiction has been an inspiration for the world we live in today.
The pandering to people who would rather be stimulated by explosions rather than have intelligent thought is a step backwards.
Hopefully the CW can get Star Trek back on track. There’s already one CW show I like. It’s actually Supernatural. I heard Arrow, and Flash are worth watching as well. Some of the stuff on Supernatural is ridiculous but the recurring characters have massive depth.
Abrams Trek leads to scenarios like Farenheit 451. People sitting around being stimulated by explosions, and not examinations of human nature nor intelligent thought. Spoon fed everything. Mesmerized by flashing lights, oblivious to the world around them. Heads buried in the sand, while worlds collide, and galaxies burn.
One of the multitude of reasons that civilization is on it’s way to another dark age. The Not Star Trek made this clear as day to me. The dumbing down of people to make a dollar. Well the people using the ignorant, stupid, and gullible to make a buck don’t realize that their world cannot exist without those people.
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