Mega wave hit Oman's coast 4,500 years ago

Times of Oman ^ | November 03, 2014 | Sarah MacDonald

[SunkenCiv]

Geologists from GUtech, in cooperation with archeologists from the Ministry of Heritage and Culture, have dug up evidence of a tsunami or severe storm that hit Ras Al Hadd about 4,500 years ago...

The fact that there were two settlement phases, the first of which was marked by buildings made of sand brick, and the second by mud brick, suggests the village was destroyed at one point and rebuilt.

The remains date back to between 3,100 and 2,700 BC, and the evidence suggests they were built one after the other, meaning the people didn't leave the area despite having their homes heavily damaged by cyclone or tsunami.

The geologists looked at the land around the settlement where they also found evidence of flooding. There was charcoal in one of the layers of sediment, and shells with both halves still joined, untouched by humans...

The presence of the shells with both halves still joined suggests they hadn't been eaten or used for any other purposed. Instead, they had been washed onto the shore by a wave and died on land.

Extreme event

The evidence isn't strong enough to determine whether the flooding in Ras Al Hadd 4,500 years back was from a tsunami or cyclone, like Gonu or Phet which hit Oman in recent years, or Nilofar, which came close to the coast last week, but there is no doubt the event was extreme.

To find out more precisely what kind of event it was, Dr Hoffmann says international collaboration with Pakistan and India would be required, since a tsunami that hit Oman would also have hit their coasts, leaving evidence there, too.

[ForGod'sSake]

If you're suggesting the scientific establishment is as pure as the driven snow you're either a fool or a liar. After puking such drivel on this thread, it's my considered opinion the rest of your screed is suspect and not to be taken seriously.

Get back to me when you can offer a plausible explanation for hundreds of accounts; not myths or legends the scientific establishment would have you believe, but ACCOUNTS of deluges from around the world. While you're at it and in your spare time, explain the carcasses of millions of Mega fauna along with other detritus found in the arctic, as well as numerous other sites and regions around the world.

If you're new to this subject, take your time and avoid most of the "prestigious" journals and academic effluent. They've all gotten severe cases of whiplash turning away from the obvious. Shame on them.

Anyhow, this being Sunday, I have places to go, like church for example so I'll leave you to your studies until later. Enjoy.

[Vermont Lt]

Are we supposed to be surprised that there have been tsunamis in the past?

The earth is not a nice place sometimes.

[SunkenCiv]

Yeah, I think Obama’s proved that axiom for those who’d doubted it. :’)

[blam]

"If you're suggesting the scientific establishment is as pure as the driven snow you're either a fool or a liar. After puking such drivel on this thread, it's my considered opinion the rest of your screed is suspect and not to be taken seriously."

Not very loving, eh?

I think you've driven more away from your cause than attracted with your ranting on this thread.

My advice to you, stay off the GGG threads if you can't conduct yourself in a mannered fashion.

[ForGod'sSake]

Not very loving, eh?

A personal shortcoming I'm afraid that I have to frequently atone for, but it just chaps my cheeks when someone I've never seen on these threads helicopters in and takes a drive-by cheap shot.

I think you've driven more away from your cause than attracted with your ranting on this thread.

The cause is probably not what you think. "The flood" is just one example of catastrophism I choose to champion. The source of the account of the flood could have been any one of numerous accounts from around the world. The Bible is but one of them. To deny that "a" flood(or floods) happened is tantamount to saying these ancient people were liars and frauds, no? Or in the opinion of the scientific establishment, these people just weren't as smart as we are and couldn't tell the difference between a flood and a crawfish hole.

My advice to you, stay off the GGG threads if you can't conduct yourself in a mannered fashion.

Sound advice for the most part but you've maybe noticed I don't spend nearly as much time replying on these threads as I once did. I still read most of them and pretty much hold my peace until something truly strikes a nerve. The frustration level with the scientific establishment and the parroting of their talking points gives me heartburn.

[BroJoeK]

ForGod'sSake: "If you're suggesting the scientific establishment is as pure as the driven snow you're either a fool or a liar."

Sorry, but so far as I can tell, if there is a "fool or a liar" on this thread, it would be you, pal.
As for scientists being "pure as the driven snow", I can't even guess what that means -- natural-science is what it is, scientists do what they do, and that is to investigate the natural realm, using various assumptions, methodologies and disciplines.
And scientists discipline each other through publishing their findings, peer reviews and repeatable experiments.

Somebody actually keeps track of how many scientific papers get published each year these days, and it is literally in the millions.
Of those, several dozen (=.01%) are typically discovered later to have been seriously mistaken or downright fraudulent.
This suggests that the other 99.99% of scientific papers are at the very least good-faith, honest efforts to report what the physical evidence reveals.
Does that make all those scientists "pure as the driven snow"?
No, of course not, since every scientist is merely human and like the rest of us they all make mistakes.
But the scientific discipline itself is intended, and usually achieves, first preventing mistakes from being published and second, reviewing and correcting such mistakes as do, from time to time, slip through.

Finally, we should note there are many questions for which science still has no direct confirmed answer.
In all these questions there is plenty of room for scientific debates and reinterpretations based on new data, etc.
These debates often last for years & decades before the weight of evidence seems to confirm one theory or another -- until some new evidence is discovered and interpreted.

So, none of this is "pure as the driven snow", but much of it is well among the very best that mere human beings have ever accomplished, and that is saying something.

ForGod'sSake: "After puking such drivel on this thread, it's my considered opinion the rest of your screed is suspect and not to be taken seriously."

But your opinion is far from "considered", since you totally failed to even identify the alleged "drivel" upon which you've heaped such scorn.
Instead, you've blathered nonsense about "pure as the driven snow", and then projected your own nonsense into my views.
Such actions move you, pal, towards that dreaded category of "a fool or a liar".

ForGod'sSake: "Get back to me when you can offer a plausible explanation for hundreds of accounts; not myths or legends the scientific establishment would have you believe, but ACCOUNTS of deluges from around the world."

So why are you being silly?
Of course there are hundreds of accounts, and there is serious geological evidence for thousands of ancient natural disasters, from floods and earthquakes to massive volcanic eruptions, asteroid strikes and world-covering ice ages.
The fossil evidence shows that some of these ancient disasters wiped out up to 90% of all species on earth, after which it took tens of millions of years for life on Earth to fully recover, and even then, was never the same as before.

So nearly everybody today has heard of the asteroid which wiped out the dinosaurs, but that is just one such event -- there were many others.

However, in all this geological & fossil evidence of massive floods and other natural disasters, there is no scientific evidence -- zero, zip, nada -- of a single, relatively recent world-covering flood such as described in Genesis.
Scientifically speaking, that particular flood didn't happen.

Of course, my considered opinion is: such a detail is irrelevant to the God's promise, made in Genesis 8:21-22.

ForGod'sSake: "While you're at it and in your spare time, explain the carcasses of millions of Mega fauna along with other detritus found in the arctic, as well as numerous other sites and regions around the world."

These are all evidence of many past floods & other natural disasters, spread over many millions of years.
They are not evidence of a single world-covering flood just a few thousand years ago.

At least that's what the scientific evidence tells us.

ForGod'sSake: "If you're new to this subject, take your time and avoid most of the "prestigious" journals and academic effluent.
They've all gotten severe cases of whiplash turning away from the obvious. Shame on them."

If you wish to produce evidence to support such a blanket accusation, I'll consider it.
Until then, let's tell the truth, shall we?, and name your charge what it really is: rubbish.

The model below represents one of several mammoths found in Siberian ice.

The mammoth calf below fell into a Siberian lake around 39,000 years ago.
No evidence has been found to suggest it was buried, along with the rest of its herd, in a world-covering flood just six thousand years ago.

[BroJoeK]

ForGod'sSake: "...it just chaps my cheeks when someone I've never seen on these threads helicopters in and takes a drive-by cheap shot."

Pal, when you're reduced to calling facts and truth "a cheap shot", you have to know something is wrong with your mind's logical software.

ForGod'sSake: "To deny that "a" flood(or floods) happened is tantamount to saying these ancient people were liars and frauds, no?
Or in the opinion of the scientific establishment, these people just weren't as smart as we are and couldn't tell the difference between a flood and a crawfish hole."

Your own words, "fool and liar" more and more describe your own posts here, pal.
That's because, for over 100 years, all scientists have well understood there were many ancient floods & other natural disasters which had significant effects on local, regional and even global species populations.
So, why do you pretend otherwise?

That ancient peoples eventually recorded some such events, as they remembered them, seems also indisputable.
But none of this -- none -- provides physical scientific evidence for a single world-covering flood such as recorded in Genesis.

But I'll say again: the point of God's promise in Genesis 8 is not dependent on the scientific accuracy of it's flood report.

ForGod'sSake: "The frustration level with the scientific establishment and the parroting of their talking points gives me heartburn."

Your obvious problem is with truth-telling -- you don't "get" it and can't do it.
You may need counseling for that, or at least education, and I'd highly recommend it.

And you will get a rough-and-ready education here on Free Republic, if you continue posting such misinformed drivel, pal. ;-)

[ForGod'sSake]

Sadly, your naïveté is stunning. I have the time but no longer have the inclination to educate those that appear to be willfully ignorant of the co-opting of selected areas of the scientific establishment by political hacks. Sorry, but you're on your own.

[BroJoeK]

ForGod'sSake: "Sadly, your naïveté is stunning.
I have the time but no longer have the inclination to educate those that appear to be willfully ignorant of the co-opting of selected areas of the scientific establishment by political hacks."

Sadly, your naïveté is stunning, pal.
I DO have BOTH the time but no longer have AND the inclination to educate those that appear to be willfully ignorant of the co-opting of selected areas of TRUTH ABOUT the scientific establishment by political hacks SCIENCE.

Whenever you finally grow tired of your own self-invented lies, come on back.
I'll be happy to educate you in the truth concerning science.

[Fred Nerks]

Remember the calendar revisions described by Velikovsky? Remember the Emperor whose name was pronounced Yahoo? ...

According to some Chinese classic documents such as Yao Dian (Document of Yao) in Shang Shu (Book of Ancient Time), and Wudibenji (Records for the Five Kings) in the Shiji (Historic Records), the King Yao assigned astronomic officers to observe celestial phenomena such as the sunrise, sunset, and the rising of the evening stars. This was done in order to make a solar and lunar calendar with 366 days for a year, also providing for the leap month.

Some recent archaeological work at Taosi, an ancient site in Shanxi, dating to 2300 BC-1900 BC, may have provided some evidence for this. A sort of an ancient observatory -- the oldest in East Asia[11] -- was found at Taosi that seems to coincide with the ancient records.[12]

Some Chinese archaeologists believe that Taosi was the site of a state Youtang (有唐) conquered by Emperor Yao and made to be his capital.[13] The structure consists of an outer semi-ring-shaped path, and a semi-round rammed-earth platform with a diameter of about 60 m; it was discovered in 2003-2004.

wiki

Great Flood (China) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search The Great Flood of China (Chinese: 大洪水; pinyin: Dà Hóngshuǐ, or just traditional Chinese: 洪水), also known as the Gun-Yu myth[1]) was a major flood event that continued for at least two generations, which resulted in great population displacements among other disasters, such as storms and famine: according to mythological and historical sources, it is traditionally dated to the third millennium BCE, during the reign of Emperor Yao. Treated either historically or mythologically, the story of the Great Flood and the heroic attempts of the various human characters to control it and to abate the disaster is a narrative fundamental to Chinese culture. Among other things, the Great Flood of China is key to understanding the history of the founding of both the Xia dynasty and the Zhou dynasty, it is also one of the main flood motifs in Chinese mythology, and it is a major source of allusion in Classical Chinese poetry.

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There's an ancient illustration that shows what Velikovsky described; the waters of the oceans were lifted over the tops of mountains, which is what might be expected when Earth was disturbed in its rotation.

[Fred Nerks]

The Dunhuang Murals.

[SunkenCiv]

Wow, interesting mural/fresco!

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.spirasolaris.ca/wic.html

11. CHINA: At the time of the miracle is said to have happened that the sun during a span of ten days did not set, the forests were ignited, and a multitude of abominable vermin was brought forth.’In the lifetime of Yao [Yahou] the sun did not set for full ten days and the entire land was flooded.’ [ Worlds in Collision, p.114 ]

12. Thereupon Yaou [Yahou] commanded Hi and Ho, in reverent accordance with the wide heavens, to calculate and delineate the movements and the appearances of the sun, the moon, the stars, and the zodiacal spaces; and to deliver respectfully the seasons to the people. [ Worlds in Collision, p.116 ]

[ForGod'sSake]

Remember the calendar revisions described by Velikovsky? Remember the Emperor whose name was pronounced Yahoo?

I have a vague recollection of that. Seems that the world had turned upside down and their calendars didn't work any more???

I don't hang around FR nearly as much as I used to. The place ain't what it used to be. Anybody that thinks this place isn't crawling with trolls, including sleeper trolls, needs to recalibrate their antenna. Anyhow, it gets tiresome after a while...

[SunkenCiv]

With modern power tools it took over 300 man-years of labor to build each of the Ark 'replicas'.

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