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Brace yourself. The 2016 Republican field is going to be HUGE.
Washington Post ^ | 10-20-2014 | Chris Cillizza

Posted on 10/20/2014 9:48:16 AM PDT by Citizen Zed

Even though this poll isn't predictive, it is telling.  Two of the top three candidates -- Bush and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee -- are, at best, 50-50 shots at running. (Bush is entirely unreadable; Huckabee seems smart enough to understand that he had his presidential moment in 2008.) The only other person pulling double digits is Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, a status due, at least in part, to voters' familiarity with his last name because of his father's two presidential bids in 2008 and 2012.

Even though this poll isn't predictive, it is telling.  Two of the top three candidates -- Bush and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee -- are, at best, 50-50 shots at running. (Bush is entirely unreadable; Huckabee seems smart enough to understand that he had his presidential moment in 2008.) The only other person pulling double digits is Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, a status due, at least in part, to voters' familiarity with his last name because of his father's two presidential bids in 2008 and 2012.

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To: samtheman

I am with Cruz—he is smart and can do the job—VP Slot? Gordy? Newt? Romney?


41 posted on 10/20/2014 12:18:08 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: skeeter

I don’t view Cruz as a populist. He is a conventional conservative politician and vice chairman of the NRSC. He is a republican and not an independent. I like the fact he has infiltrated the establishment. :-).


42 posted on 10/20/2014 12:19:50 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: SoConPubbie

I think this thread is worth a Ted Cruz ping.


43 posted on 10/20/2014 12:26:01 PM PDT by csivils
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To: plain talk

I say populist because it seems he is guided by his conscience and not party fealty, as most republicans seem to be.


44 posted on 10/20/2014 12:28:23 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Citizen Zed

Unacceptable: Christie, Bush, Rubio, Romney.

Acceptable to great: Paul, Cruz, Jindal.

I would love to see conservatives unite behind a great conservative and sit back to watch the RINOs split their votes in the primaries. Governor Palin would make a fabulous president, but I don’t think she’s running, and I won’t wait to find out. I hope FR will unite behind Cruz (or speak up and convince people of your choice before too many conservatives get into the race) and push him into the race officially. He is a true conservative, and he can win. Demanding perfection risks getting stuck with Christie or some other big government enemy of freedom.


45 posted on 10/20/2014 12:36:09 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pollster1
I'd say Huckabee is also not acceptable. He is a social conservative but very much a weak kneed candidate when it comes fiscal issues.
46 posted on 10/20/2014 12:40:44 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: csivils; Kale; Jarhead9297; COUNTrecount; notaliberal; DoughtyOne; RitaOK; MountainDad; ...
Ted Cruz Ping!

If you want on/off this ping list, please let me know.

Please beware, this is a high-volume ping list!
47 posted on 10/20/2014 12:43:16 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Citizen Zed

No, No, No, No, No, No, Maybe, No, Yes, No, Yes, No, Yes.


48 posted on 10/20/2014 12:44:37 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Citizen Zed

Washington Post be damned.

I will vote for Cruz, period.


49 posted on 10/20/2014 12:53:51 PM PDT by Gator113 ( Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin and Mike Lee speak for me, most everyone else is just noise.)
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To: Citizen Zed

If Sarah Palin runs, I’ll care. If not, I won’t.


50 posted on 10/20/2014 12:58:45 PM PDT by upsdriver (Palin/West '16)
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To: Mr. Jeeves; SunkenCiv; Pollster1
Precisely one name on the list - Rand Paul - can potentially appeal to enough young, white voters to peel them away from the "Strong! Smart! Capable! First Female President!". Even for him it would be an uphill struggle.

Other than that, every single name on the list lacks the credibility on liberty issues to overcome the Left's complete takeover of the culture. See Mark Steyn's latest column for a full explanation of why. If the GOP doesn't play a totally different hand this time, they are done as a force in US politics.


You have got to be kidding!?

You'd be willing to give the POTUS Chair to the guy with the following list of non-Conservative actions and Policy Positions Failures???

Hat tip to SunkenCiv for compiling this list.

Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt's Generals: 'How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?'
Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt's military -- even as Cairo's security forces massacre anti-government activists. [by "anti-government activists" is meant church-burning Christian-murdering jihadists]
[Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat]
Rand Paul On Shutdown: "Even Though It Appeared I Was Participating In It, It Was A Dumb Idea"
I said throughout the whole battle that shutting down the government was a dumb idea. Even though it did appear as if I was participating in it, I said it was a dumb idea. And the reason I voted for it, though, is that it's a conundrum. Here's the conundrum. We have a $17 trillion debt and people at home tell me you can't give the president a blank check. We just can't keep raising the debt ceiling without conditions. So unconditionally raising the debt ceiling, nobody at home wants me to vote for that and I can't vote for that. But the conundrum is if I don't we do approach these deadlines. So there is an impasse. In 2011, though, we had this impasse and the president did negotiate. We got the sequester. If we were to extend the sequester from discretionary spending to all the entitlements we would actually fix our problem within a few years.
[Posted on 11/19/2013 12:16:51 PM by Third Person]
Rand Paul: Time for GOP to soften war stance
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.
[Posted on 01/31/2013 5:08:50 PM PST by xzins]
Rand Paul's immigration speech
...The Republican Party must embrace more legal immigration.

Unfortunately, like many of the major debates in Washington, immigration has become a stalemate-where both sides are imprisoned by their own rhetoric or attachment to sacred cows that prevent the possibility of a balanced solution.

Immigration Reform will not occur until Conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. I am here today to begin that conversation.

Let's start that conversation by acknowledging we aren't going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you...

This is where prudence, compassion and thrift all point us toward the same goal: bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society.

Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.
[Posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Perdogg]
Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reform
Latinos, should be a natural constituency for the party, Paul argued, but "Republicans have pushed them away with harsh rhetoric over immigration." ...he would create a bipartisan panel to determine how many visas should be granted for workers already in the United States and those who might follow... [and the buried lead] "Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers...
[Posted on 04/21/2013 1:52:42 PM PDT by SoConPubbie]
[but he's not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]

51 posted on 10/20/2014 1:06:21 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Citizen Zed
That's the follow-up question. Did you really think they'd start the poll off with "If Romney does not run for president ..."?

You can find the original question (which included Romney) and the results here.

Before we say the poll is flawed, consider that only 3 or 4 percent say that Ted Cruz would be their choice. Even if the real figure were double or triple that, it falls short of what most of us would expect. Of course the campaign hasn't even really started and he'll do better if he runs, but isn't this a reality check?

Maybe it's the circles we move in online and the people we talk to on the Internet that aren't representative of typical Republican voters, the 47% of the population that voted Republican last time, or the 50% that would have to go that way again for the GOP to win.

52 posted on 10/20/2014 1:10:11 PM PDT by x
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To: x; Citizen Zed
Maybe it's the circles we move in online and the people we talk to on the Internet that aren't representative of typical Republican voters, the 47% of the population that voted Republican last time, or the 50% that would have to go that way again for the GOP to win.

Or maybe it's the 100 million plus of American Citizens eligible to vote who did not in the last two elections????

You know the ones... The ones not really given a choice when a Socialist (Obama) and a Progressive Liberal(Mitt Romney) were running against each other.
53 posted on 10/20/2014 1:12:41 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: skeeter

I would say conservative republican and not populist. Populists say what they think the average guy is thinking - thus get tagged the term “populist”. Cruz is not that popular. As you say Cruz does what he thinks is right based on his conscience. he is quite conventional and knows and works the system. He is an old school politician and conservative in a party that has devolved into RINOS and establishment hacks.


54 posted on 10/20/2014 1:20:45 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Citizen Zed

Hopefully Sen Rand Paul can make it all the way to the end of the primary period and not be destroyed by the liberal Democrat in GOP clothing Willard..

as more Conservatives join the field Id consider them..

Sen Ted Cruz, Gov Sarah Palin Col Allen West etc..

but they haven’t said anything as yet..

and it will depend who is left standing by the time they get to Tennessee...

BTW that poll needs to be “I do not intend to vote for Willard Mitt Romney but I would vote for

1 Gov Sarah Palin
2 Sen Ted Cruz
3 Col Allen West
4 Sen Rand Paul
etc


55 posted on 10/20/2014 1:21:24 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Citizen Zed

Ted Cruz!


56 posted on 10/20/2014 1:39:18 PM PDT by Qwackertoo (Worst 8 years ever, First Affirmative Action President, I hope those who did this to us SUFFER MOST!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Cruz


57 posted on 10/20/2014 1:44:23 PM PDT by Eddie01 (Liberals lie about everything all the time.)
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To: SoConPubbie
And everybody who didn't vote was a conservative?

From the data I've seen nonvoters don't break down much differently from voters, except that they're less committed to politics in general.

For every person who didn't vote because Romney wasn't conservative enough, there must have been many more for whom that wouldn't have made a difference.

58 posted on 10/20/2014 2:00:16 PM PDT by x
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To: SoConPubbie

” Or maybe it’s the 100 million plus of American Citizens eligible to vote who did not in the last two elections????

You know the ones... The ones not really given a choice when a Socialist (Obama) and a Progressive Liberal(Mitt Romney) were running against each other. “

The GOPe, establishment Republicans don’t want to win. Otherwise, why did they back McCain & Romney, who couldn’t possibly win, because too many conservatives would not vote for them? If Cruz somehow manages to make it to the top, the Chamber of Amnesty/GOPe will try to destroy him. I’m for Cruz, or nobody.


59 posted on 10/20/2014 2:02:35 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: areukiddingme1

No one else possesses the stones necessary to fix all of obungholes messes, foreign and domestic.


Not even Cruz-West have the ability to fix this mess but the would be the best team to tackle it.


60 posted on 10/20/2014 2:06:40 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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